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> ethanol free gas, should I use ethanol free gas for my 1975 914 2.0?
wd40togo
post Feb 2 2013, 09:10 AM
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I have a 1975 914 2.0, should I be using ethanol free gas? It appears to have the orginal metal gas tank.
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Did some research on this.
You can test your own gas, below is the DIY method or you can buy test kits.

This one you have to buy the kit and then solution, a bit spendy IMHO, but it is fast and uses the least amount of gasoline. One kit tests 450 times so it's still a good deal.
http://www.fuel-testers.com/index.html

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Deluxe-Alcohol-F...=mtr&_uhb=1

These ones you just use water, no solutions to buy. You know pretty quick if you have ethenol, but have to wait 5 minutes to know percentage. (see video bottom of this post)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/QUICK-FUEL-E-85-FU...=mtr&_uhb=1

http://www.ebay.com/itm/QUICK-FUEL-RACE-MA...=mtr&_uhb=1

Or you can do it yourself
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Field Test for Determining Presence and Amount of Alcohol

Field Information Number 306

In Gasoline

EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT ASSOCIATION, INC. (EAA) appreciates the permission of Conoco, Inc. to base this field test procedure on one developed by the company.

Scope
This method determines the amount, if any, of alcohol present in gasoline. This test is designed specifically for field-testing where time and simplicity are important factors.

Summary of Method
A sample of gasoline is shaken at room temperature with an amount of added water. The volume increase of water is proportional to the amount of alcohol initially in the fuel sample. Nine (9) parts of the gasoline sample are combined with one (1) part water.

Appartus Required for Either of the Methods Below
Graduated Cylinder Method - One (1) each one thousand milliliter (1000 ml) clear Pyrex or shatter-resistant glass graduated cylinder OR transparent chemical-resistant plastic (such as TPX) graduated cylinder. (These can be purchased from laboratory or chemical equipment suppliers.)

Measuring Cup Method - One (1) each 2-quart clear pyrex, glass, or chemical resistant plastic container. One (1) each 4-fluid-ounce measuring up (1/2 cup). One (1) each 32-fluid-ounce measuring cup (1 quart).

Preperation
Clean Containers.

On the 2-quart container, mark the level of exactly four (4) fluid ounces (1/2 cup) permanently on the side (a piece of masking tape can be used).

Procedure
Graduated Cylinder Method - To 9 parts of gasoline (900 ml), add 100 ml of water for a total of 1000 ml in the graduated cylinder. Shake thoroughly, let stand for 10 minutes or until gasoline is again bright and clear. Record the apparent level of the line between the gasoline and water. This “Final Volume” is used in the calculation below.

Measuring Cup Method - To nine (9) parts of the gasoline sample (36 ounces or 1 quart plus ½ cup), add 4 fluid ounces (1/2 cup) of water for a total of 40 fluid ounces in the 2-quart container. Shake thoroughly, let stand for 10 minutes or until gasoline is again bright and clear. Record the apparent level of the line between the gasoline and water.

The Measuring Cup Method is intended to indicate the presence of alcohol and is not practical to evaluate the amount of alcohol. If the final line between gasoline and water is measurably higher than the ½ cup mark, the presence of alcohol is indicated.

NOTE: Erroneous results are probable if sample and water are not thoroughly shaken and mixed.

Calculation
Graduated Cylinder Method - Note the final volume and calculate the percentage of alcohol in the sample using the following calculation: Percentage of Alcohol in Gasoline = (Volume – 100 divided by 900) X 100.

Where: V = “Final Volume” of water as determined in procedure above (read at separation line between water and gasoline).

Precision
Within +/- 1% alcohol if you measured and recorded accurately.

Action to be Taken
In the opinion of EAA, and in the interest of most conservative operations, the following observations are offered:

If alcohol content is less than 1%, fuel will probably have no effect on aircraft.

If fuel contains up to 5% alcohol, caution must be exercised. Do not permit it to remain in tanks or fuel system for more than 24 hours, then drain and refill with alcohol-free fuel, ensuring that no alcohol concentration remains in fuel lines or sump. Vapor lock may be a problem. DO NOT FLY.

If alcohol content is more than 5%, DO NOT FLY. Drain the fuel system, flush all parts, replace with clean alcohol-free fuel and run up engine long enough to exchange fuel in carburetor bowl.

Known Problems
Alcohol attacks some seal materials and varnishes on cork floats of fuel level indicators. This could cause leakage of seals and release particles of varnish from floats, causing blocked screens in fuel lines or blocked carburetor jets. Excessive entrained water carried by alcohol could lead to fuel line blockage or blockage at screens or values when operating at low ambient temperatures at ground level or at high altitude. Fuel volatility is also increased with the addition of alcohol in a manner that is not detected by the Reid Vapor Pressure test, which is used to determine if a fuel meets the automotive specification. For example, a gasoline with alcohol will meet the Reid Vapor Pressure limit of 13.5 psi but it will behave as though it has a volatility of roughly 20 psi. Gasolines with alcohol will also phase separate. Phase separation occurs as the gasoline/alcohol blend cools, such as when a plane climbs to a higher altitude. When water that is absorbed in the fuel by alcohol comes out of solution, it takes most of the alcohol with it. The quantity that comes out of solution cannot be handled by the sediment bowl and tank sumps. Furthermore, if the alcohol is used to raise the octane of the base gasoline, the gasoline that remains will not have sufficient octane to prevent detonation. A good reference for this phase separation problem is: Paul Corp., Laboratory Investigations into the Effects of Adding Alcohol to Turbine Fuel, DOT/FAA/CT-TN88/25 July 1988, FAA Technical Center, Atlantic City International Airport, NJ 08405.

Precautionary
Gasoline is volatile, extremely flammable and harmful, or fatal if swallowed. Avoid prolonged or repeated breathing of vapor or contact with skin or eyes. If swallowed, do not induce vomiting, get medical care immediately.



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wd40togo   ethanol free gas   Feb 2 2013, 09:10 AM
SLITS   I didn't know you could get ethanol free fuel ...   Feb 2 2013, 09:13 AM
Krieger   If you can find it buy it! Welcome to the clu...   Feb 2 2013, 09:13 AM
billh1963   In SC we actually have a number of stations that s...   Feb 2 2013, 09:19 AM
t collins   i high recommend ethanol free gas! check here ...   Feb 2 2013, 09:26 AM
ArtechnikA   we should all be using ethanol-free gas ;-) ... m...   Feb 2 2013, 09:29 AM
SLITS   Wow ... 5 stations in California, Northern Califor...   Feb 2 2013, 09:33 AM
t collins   Wow ... 5 stations in California, Northern Califo...   Feb 2 2013, 09:39 AM
Tom_T   Wow ... 5 stations in California, Northern Calif...   Feb 2 2013, 11:47 AM
carr914   I have a 1975 914 2.0, should I be using ethanol ...   Feb 2 2013, 09:36 AM
JawjaPorsche   Yes, if you can find it. Your fuel hoses will tha...   Feb 2 2013, 09:44 AM
Ian Stott   For those of you in Canada or if visiting, use She...   Feb 2 2013, 09:48 AM
JamesM   I prefer ethanol free for any car, not just my 914...   Feb 2 2013, 09:50 AM
914Eric   We have ethanol free premium available here in Ida...   Feb 2 2013, 10:31 AM
carr914   Mechanics I trust tell me it is much less liabl...   Feb 2 2013, 11:50 AM
Type 47   No "E free" fuel here in Missouri...not ...   Feb 2 2013, 11:47 PM
kg6dxn   I wish every station had E85... Then I could turn ...   Feb 3 2013, 12:54 AM
Mark Henry   Did some research on this. You can test your own g...   Feb 3 2013, 06:07 AM
TC 914-8   My local PCA chapter, Olympic Pennisula P C A, has...   Feb 3 2013, 09:54 AM
Mark Henry   OK. The above method works great. What is needed...   Feb 3 2013, 10:10 AM
ArtechnikA   Still looking around the house for a small, tall,...   Feb 3 2013, 10:18 AM
Mark Henry   Still looking around the house for a small, tall...   Feb 3 2013, 10:24 AM
SLITS   Just go to any lab supply and purchase a graduated...   Feb 3 2013, 10:27 AM
Mark Henry   Just go to any lab supply and purchase a graduate...   Feb 3 2013, 12:57 PM
Mark Henry   With gas before shaking.   Feb 3 2013, 12:59 PM
Mark Henry   Known regular gas E-10 it's on the line that i...   Feb 3 2013, 01:00 PM
Mark Henry   This should be shell super.... but it's showin...   Feb 3 2013, 01:02 PM
john_g   Related question: The ethanol-free gas up here is ...   Feb 4 2013, 04:41 PM
Mark Henry   Related question: The ethanol-free gas up here is...   Feb 4 2013, 04:53 PM
john_g   Related question: The ethanol-free gas up here i...   Feb 4 2013, 06:39 PM
Mark Henry   I dug this thread up because of this new thread. ...   Feb 26 2014, 12:05 PM
rgolia   I get ethanol free gas at the local airport in my ...   Feb 26 2014, 12:23 PM
Elliot Cannon   I get ethanol free gas at the local airport in my...   Feb 26 2014, 12:29 PM
Mark Henry   I get ethanol free gas at the local airport in m...   Feb 26 2014, 01:08 PM
Olympic 1.7   Bonus. I checked that Puregas locator and see a ...   Feb 26 2014, 03:31 PM
vitamin914   Yes, very old thread. Couldn't find anything ...   Feb 20 2023, 10:36 PM
Not_A_Six   Yes, very old thread. Couldn't find anything...   Feb 21 2023, 02:45 PM
vitamin914   Yes, very old thread. Couldn't find anythin...   Feb 21 2023, 04:04 PM
Superhawk996   It is going to be a problem for all the classic...   Feb 21 2023, 04:24 PM
Bullethead   What are our options as ethanol creeps into every...   Feb 21 2023, 03:09 PM
GregAmy   That is a tooooon of work just to not have to worr...   Feb 21 2023, 03:14 PM
vitamin914   That is a tooooon of work just to not have to wor...   Feb 21 2023, 04:20 PM
GregAmy   What about the steel gas tanks? and the aluminum a...   Feb 21 2023, 05:23 PM
Superhawk996   What about the steel gas tanks? and the aluminum ...   Feb 21 2023, 09:33 PM
Chris914n6   ^^ the ethanol mandate brought along plastic tanks...   Feb 21 2023, 04:59 PM
Superhawk996   ^^ the ethanol mandate brought along plastic tank...   Feb 21 2023, 09:27 PM
Root_Werks   There's a few stations locally that sell E-Fre...   Feb 22 2023, 11:18 AM
vitamin914   There's a few stations locally that sell E-Fr...   Feb 22 2023, 01:02 PM
GregAmy   A major downside of 100LL AvGas is that it's ...   Feb 22 2023, 11:26 AM
Superhawk996   I don’t know how Canada works, but here in US yo...   Feb 23 2023, 05:29 AM


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