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mrbubblehead
post Mar 6 2013, 04:13 PM
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what will this do to the classic car world?

http://www.break.com/index/why-3d-printing...ick-ass-2421396
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And I used this technology nearly 20 years ago to make prototype parts, so it's not new. Stereolithography (SLA) goes back to the 1980's and the early work goes back to the 70's. SLA was perfected by 3D systems, and swept a laser beam across a vat of thick honey like resin to harden a thin layer on the top of a vertically movable table, the hardened layer was dropped .005 inches into the goo, a second layer was built on top of the first, the table dropped again and a third layer was built. This process could produce parts in a day or two, but parts taller than an inch or two took longer.

Then there was the SLA post processing. Raise the table, drain the unhardened goo, put the part into a shaker tank of alcohol to dissolve the goo from the corners, break off of the latticework support structures that kept the part from collapsing, and clean the parts by hand with alcohol and toothbrushes to get rid of the last of the goo. Then you trim all ridges etc with an exacto knife, put the part into a UV carousel oven, and cook the "soft" parts to hardness. Then you get to sand the stair stepping off the hardened parts to make them smooth. Used a system about 3 years ago, and the process hasn't changed much.

Initially, the laser beam was limited to 5 thousandths in width and I had a part that needed a tighter focused laser beam. Tony and I persuaded 3D systems to send us their prototype machine with a 3 thousandths wide beam. Good thing we did, they almost canned the .003 beam project due to lack of demand. Once the parts were made and they worked, I presented to management that we saved $60 K in prototype plastic mold tooling and 6 months in time, and we needed a .003 beam machine. That's how we ordered a .003 beam machine and nudged 3D systems into the smaller beam market back in the mid 90's.

Another machine that I've used is the sintered laser system which shines a laser on top of a layer of powder to melt the powder grains together. The layer drops, and a new layer of powder is rolled on top, the beam melts the second layer onto the first, the table drops, and the process repeats. SLS offers a wider range of materials than SLA, and it includes plastics and metal powders.

The newer machines in the first video can squirt molten material like a spider spinning a web.

While a great technology, there are a few limiters.

One, it's slow. I can mold plastic parts much faster than this process so it may not be great for mass production.

Two, parts are "stair stepped" and not smooth without post-processing (sanding etc). It's really noticeable on angles and curves, and not as noticeable on vertical and horizontal surfaces.

Three, while getting better, the plastic and metal parts are not nearly as strong as molded or machined parts. Strength can be between 20-80% of a "real" part and have improved greatly over the years. Of course you will pay extra for stronger feedstocks. That's business.

Four, you will pay for dimensional accuracy. In the world of milling machines, a cheap Harbor Freight unit with sloppy tolerances between running parts will never make parts as accurately as a Bridgeport with hardened ways and ultra-tight clearances between moving parts. A low cost printer makes wonderful low cost parts like key fobs, but fails when you need the tight accuracy produced with the high end laser focus machines.

Five, there is the cost aspect. Takes a PC, a CAD system, an interfacing software to bridge between the CAD output and the printer movements, and the cost of the printing system. You also have to be a trained CAD jockey to make complex parts, and better have some experience with motion control to get the printer to work. And, the more complex and accurate the parts, the higher the cost of the computer, CAD system, and the printer.

Having said all that, it's a wonderful tool, it's getting better, and is getting cheaper. Like all tools, use depends on need and some tools are better suited for one job than another. For example, when you need to make a hole in a piece of wood for a nail, a hammer and nail are appropriate and inexpensive hole makers. But, they are not well suited when you need to make a hole in a broken trailing arm bolt.

Somebody said that leaders in business and government are no longer investing in making new disruptive technologies, but rather taking a "career safe" approach to redoing and recycling old technologies as new.

For me, this is kinda like a remix of a tune from the last century being presented as "new".
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mrbubblehead   this is amazing   Mar 6 2013, 04:13 PM
Tom_T   Hemmings also did an article on this 3D Printer re...   Mar 6 2013, 04:17 PM
slothness   yup, want! Some members on here are already m...   Mar 6 2013, 04:24 PM
reharvey   Imagine that===we can make anything we want whenev...   Mar 6 2013, 04:33 PM
Mark Henry   I think the tech guys are shooting themselves in t...   Mar 6 2013, 04:58 PM
Madswede   I think the tech guys are shooting themselves in ...   Mar 6 2013, 05:02 PM
Vacca Rabite   As 3D printing becomes more commonplace, its going...   Mar 6 2013, 05:37 PM
SirAndy   It'll change space flight forever. No more sc...   Mar 6 2013, 05:50 PM
messix   this should be something like what computers have ...   Mar 6 2013, 06:48 PM
biosurfer1   apparently the term "back ordered" is go...   Mar 6 2013, 06:50 PM
Racer Chris   Formula One teams have already been using 3d print...   Mar 6 2013, 06:57 PM
bigkensteele   This is a passing fad, just like the internet and ...   Mar 6 2013, 07:01 PM
malcolm2   This is a passing fad, just like the internet and...   Mar 7 2013, 03:38 PM
mrbubblehead   a 3D scanner AND a 3D printer would be ideal.   Mar 6 2013, 07:09 PM
Montreal914   They have been around for quite some time. I was ...   Mar 6 2013, 07:32 PM
Spoke   We use one at work to fab parts that we need to te...   Mar 6 2013, 07:54 PM
mepstein   Burton has one to test out ideas for new snowboard...   Mar 6 2013, 08:01 PM
Drums66   .....The times are changing :idea: (more$...   Mar 6 2013, 08:31 PM
URY914   Maybe I'll have them make some door handles.   Mar 6 2013, 08:33 PM
scotty b   Oh boy.... the "adult " business should ...   Mar 6 2013, 08:35 PM
914   I bought some fuel rail clips from AA.I swear they...   Mar 6 2013, 08:54 PM
LotusJoe   I made a couple of rain funnels on my 3D printer   Mar 6 2013, 10:31 PM
zonedoubt   One has to take this "3d printing revolution...   Mar 7 2013, 03:00 AM
Drums66   One has to take this "3d printing revolution...   Mar 7 2013, 03:26 PM
Vacca Rabite   One has to take this "3d printing revolution...   Mar 7 2013, 05:39 PM
eric9144   If you think the medical applications are 'far...   Mar 8 2013, 10:40 AM
zonedoubt   If you think the medical applications are 'fa...   Mar 9 2013, 03:29 AM
Vacca Rabite   If you think the medical applications are 'f...   Mar 9 2013, 08:41 AM
zonedoubt   In 1993, super computers took labs and science ne...   Mar 9 2013, 05:35 PM
rwilner   ... I think the roadblock for the average person...   Mar 14 2013, 11:12 AM
zonedoubt   I think this problem could be easily overcome by ...   Mar 14 2013, 01:25 PM
zonedoubt   I know, I know...I've seen the Shapeways site....   Mar 9 2013, 02:55 AM
Katmanken   And I used this technology nearly 20 years ago to ...   Mar 9 2013, 01:02 PM
mrbubblehead   it almost seams like you would need the same skill...   Mar 9 2013, 05:59 PM
Katmanken   Here's the 3D System that I used back in the m...   Mar 9 2013, 06:10 PM
Katmanken   And here is the SLS powder system that can make me...   Mar 9 2013, 06:15 PM
Mikey914   Dr Evil is waiting until they have a body sized pr...   Mar 10 2013, 02:41 AM
Katmanken   Not my business model, but if you want to pay o...   Mar 10 2013, 12:18 PM
ConeDodger   A portion of shattered skull was replaced using th...   Mar 10 2013, 10:29 AM
Bill D   Vision systems that can copy an existing part may ...   Mar 11 2013, 01:35 PM
montoya 73 2.0   I have used several different 3D printers and SLA ...   Mar 11 2013, 06:02 PM
Vacca Rabite   Folks are already releasing designs online. As pri...   Mar 14 2013, 07:23 PM


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