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post Mar 6 2013, 04:13 PM
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what will this do to the classic car world?

http://www.break.com/index/why-3d-printing...ick-ass-2421396
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post Mar 10 2013, 02:41 AM
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Dr Evil is waiting until they have a body sized printer to print himself a new girlfriend, or better yet twins!

Yes the technology is there, but it's not as user friendly as you would like. It's easier to make silicone molds and use catalyzed rubber, or to extrude using conventional methods. The materials cost for the parts is not cost effective for production. You can make rain funnels for maybe $15 a pop. You have a $3000 printer, so if you hapen to have the equipment and only need a set for you great, but for a business model, those are at least $20 rain funnels. Injection molding has a large up front cost say $2000, but the unit cost may be $1 a pop.
Sell 1000 pcs at $6 for a $3000 profit may take 2 years+
or print them at say best case $10 each and sell at $12.50 each. say you do sell 500 pcs you can make $1250, but your overhead is the materials and printer.

So, if you don't have to pay for a printer you could make money making these, if you don't count your time in. Also there are issues with storage of the powder or gel.


Not my business model, but if you want to pay over 2x the price, I'll take it.

These do have a place, but they are not there yet. When the replicator from Star Trek comes on line, sign me up.
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post Mar 10 2013, 12:18 PM
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Not my business model, but if you want to pay over 2x the price, I'll take it.

These do have a place, but they are not there yet. When the replicator from Star Trek comes on line, sign me up.


Mikey, there are other tricks that you can do with SLA. I've actually seen it used to make molds for stainless steel cast parts. We designed the parts on CAD so that each part had a casting runner extending from it that would plug into a central sprue. We downloaded the models to the SLA tank, and made a bunch of the parts/risers, and one central sprue.

When the SLA pieces were done, we assembled them into a "tree" where the sprue was the "trunk" and the risers on the parts acted as "branches" that plugged into holes within the sprue/trunk. So we ended up with a "tree "with a cloud of parts surrounding the central sprue.

We sent that out to our caster, where it was dipped in casting plaster, and surrounded by foundry sand to make a mold. And when metal was poured into the SLA sprue, the plastics burned away creating a passage for the molten metal. The molten metal burned it's way down the sprue, down the risers, and into the part cavitys and formed the parts. We sent out a SLA "tree", got back a staineless steel "tree" and we simply cut the parts off. Some people use the SLA parts to make silicone molds and then cast wax in the silicone momds for the "lost wax" process. See pic below of an "after casting" "tree".

I've also used SLA to make a quick and dirty mold that could be used to make a small quantity of injection molded parts. We simply made the SLA mold to fit within our plastics press, and squirted plastics into the cavity of the SLA mold. Didn't last long, but it was quick, dirty and cheap, and lasted long enough to make the parts we needed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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mrbubblehead   this is amazing   Mar 6 2013, 04:13 PM
Tom_T   Hemmings also did an article on this 3D Printer re...   Mar 6 2013, 04:17 PM
slothness   yup, want! Some members on here are already m...   Mar 6 2013, 04:24 PM
reharvey   Imagine that===we can make anything we want whenev...   Mar 6 2013, 04:33 PM
Mark Henry   I think the tech guys are shooting themselves in t...   Mar 6 2013, 04:58 PM
Madswede   I think the tech guys are shooting themselves in ...   Mar 6 2013, 05:02 PM
Vacca Rabite   As 3D printing becomes more commonplace, its going...   Mar 6 2013, 05:37 PM
SirAndy   It'll change space flight forever. No more sc...   Mar 6 2013, 05:50 PM
messix   this should be something like what computers have ...   Mar 6 2013, 06:48 PM
biosurfer1   apparently the term "back ordered" is go...   Mar 6 2013, 06:50 PM
Racer Chris   Formula One teams have already been using 3d print...   Mar 6 2013, 06:57 PM
bigkensteele   This is a passing fad, just like the internet and ...   Mar 6 2013, 07:01 PM
malcolm2   This is a passing fad, just like the internet and...   Mar 7 2013, 03:38 PM
mrbubblehead   a 3D scanner AND a 3D printer would be ideal.   Mar 6 2013, 07:09 PM
Montreal914   They have been around for quite some time. I was ...   Mar 6 2013, 07:32 PM
Spoke   We use one at work to fab parts that we need to te...   Mar 6 2013, 07:54 PM
mepstein   Burton has one to test out ideas for new snowboard...   Mar 6 2013, 08:01 PM
Drums66   .....The times are changing :idea: (more$...   Mar 6 2013, 08:31 PM
URY914   Maybe I'll have them make some door handles.   Mar 6 2013, 08:33 PM
scotty b   Oh boy.... the "adult " business should ...   Mar 6 2013, 08:35 PM
914   I bought some fuel rail clips from AA.I swear they...   Mar 6 2013, 08:54 PM
LotusJoe   I made a couple of rain funnels on my 3D printer   Mar 6 2013, 10:31 PM
zonedoubt   One has to take this "3d printing revolution...   Mar 7 2013, 03:00 AM
Drums66   One has to take this "3d printing revolution...   Mar 7 2013, 03:26 PM
Vacca Rabite   One has to take this "3d printing revolution...   Mar 7 2013, 05:39 PM
eric9144   If you think the medical applications are 'far...   Mar 8 2013, 10:40 AM
zonedoubt   If you think the medical applications are 'fa...   Mar 9 2013, 03:29 AM
Vacca Rabite   If you think the medical applications are 'f...   Mar 9 2013, 08:41 AM
zonedoubt   In 1993, super computers took labs and science ne...   Mar 9 2013, 05:35 PM
rwilner   ... I think the roadblock for the average person...   Mar 14 2013, 11:12 AM
zonedoubt   I think this problem could be easily overcome by ...   Mar 14 2013, 01:25 PM
zonedoubt   I know, I know...I've seen the Shapeways site....   Mar 9 2013, 02:55 AM
Katmanken   And I used this technology nearly 20 years ago to ...   Mar 9 2013, 01:02 PM
mrbubblehead   it almost seams like you would need the same skill...   Mar 9 2013, 05:59 PM
Katmanken   Here's the 3D System that I used back in the m...   Mar 9 2013, 06:10 PM
Katmanken   And here is the SLS powder system that can make me...   Mar 9 2013, 06:15 PM
Mikey914   Dr Evil is waiting until they have a body sized pr...   Mar 10 2013, 02:41 AM
Katmanken   Not my business model, but if you want to pay o...   Mar 10 2013, 12:18 PM
ConeDodger   A portion of shattered skull was replaced using th...   Mar 10 2013, 10:29 AM
Bill D   Vision systems that can copy an existing part may ...   Mar 11 2013, 01:35 PM
montoya 73 2.0   I have used several different 3D printers and SLA ...   Mar 11 2013, 06:02 PM
Vacca Rabite   Folks are already releasing designs online. As pri...   Mar 14 2013, 07:23 PM


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