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914itis
post May 1 2013, 04:50 PM
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I sprayed a 2 stage paint for the first time. I primed with a 2 k primer cut with thinner, waited an hour spray the base coat, 3 coats then clear coat.

I am not sure If i miss some spots or if it is a reaction, for some reason, I can see the primer under the paint. It's hard to see but can be seen with enough lighting.

It can be see in a few areas.

What did I do wrong and how do I correct this ?
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post May 2 2013, 12:36 PM
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First off, when you go in with a code for these cars tell them it is for a VW, not a Porsche. I have had many times when they couldn't find it under Porsche, btu could for VW. I have also had certain colors that did not have a formula in Deltron, but did in Shopline ( ppg's mid range paint ) I'm not a fan of DuPont. It''s overpriced crap IMHO. The ONLY times I have had paint reactions was with DuPont. The solvents are very harsh and will cause issues. Id go with Shopline for cost and quality. If cost is not an object go with Deltron, Spies Hecker, Glasurit, Standox. FWIW Standox IS Spies hecker, all of the chemicals are the same, even the labels are virtually the same.

My recommendation at this point is to just use the Omni. It's already on the car. It just takes more coats to cover, which you already have 3 on. Put another 4-5 coats on then 4-5 of clear if you plan to wet sand it once done. 2-3 if not wet sanding.

Switching paint brands at this point COULD be asking for bigger issues, and to do it properly you would need to reseal the whole car again to get a barrier between the old and new, if you use the Omni, you don't need to reseal, just sand, clean and re-shoot
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post May 2 2013, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(scotty b @ May 2 2013, 02:36 PM) *

First off, when you go in with a code for these cars tell them it is for a VW, not a Porsche. I have had many times when they couldn't find it under Porsche, btu could for VW. I have also had certain colors that did not have a formula in Deltron, but did in Shopline ( ppg's mid range paint ) I'm not a fan of DuPont. It''s overpriced crap IMHO. The ONLY times I have had paint reactions was with DuPont. The solvents are very harsh and will cause issues. Id go with Shopline for cost and quality. If cost is not an object go with Deltron, Spies Hecker, Glasurit, Standox. FWIW Standox IS Spies hecker, all of the chemicals are the same, even the labels are virtually the same.

My recommendation at this point is to just use the Omni. It's already on the car. It just takes more coats to cover, which you already have 3 on. Put another 4-5 coats on then 4-5 of clear if you plan to wet sand it once done. 2-3 if not wet sanding.

Switching paint brands at this point COULD be asking for bigger issues, and to do it properly you would need to reseal the whole car again to get a barrier between the old and new, if you use the Omni, you don't need to reseal, just sand, clean and re-shoot


The local supplier here will sell Omni and Deltron to pretty much anybody that walks in the door, but they wont sell you shopline? Certification? Shop Owner? Cant remember why?
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914itis   2 stage paint   May 1 2013, 04:50 PM
bulitt   Dont have a clue, but the experts will want to kno...   May 1 2013, 05:16 PM
Andyrew   How many coats of base did you use? Depending on...   May 1 2013, 05:28 PM
ThePaintedMan   :agree: I don't have near the experience as ...   May 1 2013, 05:34 PM
914itis   I sprayed 3 coats, the primer is grey and the pain...   May 1 2013, 06:59 PM
ThePaintedMan   Red is a thin pigment as well and sometimes requir...   May 1 2013, 07:42 PM
PanelBilly   I think you have an expensive guide coat at the po...   May 1 2013, 08:10 PM
McMark   What line of PPG? If it's OMNI (the cheap stu...   May 1 2013, 09:23 PM
914itis   Yes , Omni. I asked for good stuff and that's ...   May 1 2013, 09:25 PM
McMark   WOW. :blink: Don't ever go back to that pain...   May 1 2013, 09:30 PM
ThePaintedMan   WOW. :blink: Don't ever go back to that pai...   May 1 2013, 09:32 PM
a914622   Is it thin all over or just a door bottom or somet...   May 1 2013, 10:23 PM
914itis   No, It is not all over. I have 3 small spots. un...   May 1 2013, 10:41 PM
ThePaintedMan   Ah, I know what you did then. You just simply miss...   May 1 2013, 11:26 PM
914itis   Ah, I know what you did then. You just simply mis...   May 1 2013, 11:36 PM
bulitt   Paul- You want the Deltron Line from PPG, primer, ...   May 2 2013, 05:02 AM
914itis   I spoke to the clown at the paint shop . He told m...   May 2 2013, 06:17 AM
timothy_nd28   I think a step was left out, the sealer coat after...   May 2 2013, 07:04 AM
rick 918-S   When I had my shop the DuPont rep would pull the s...   May 2 2013, 07:11 AM
914itis   When I had my shop the DuPont rep would pull the ...   May 2 2013, 07:25 AM
scotty b   PM sent Your paint supplier is an absolute idiot....   May 2 2013, 07:16 AM
Andyrew   Paul, At this point I think your best bet is to ...   May 2 2013, 07:35 AM
scotty b   Paul, At this point I think your best bet is to...   May 2 2013, 07:40 AM
Andyrew   Makes sense. I had a fear of solvents escaping whi...   May 2 2013, 07:54 AM
914itis   I am shopping for new paint. 1- whats a good bra...   May 2 2013, 09:00 AM
a914622   If the spots are small enough or there is a small ...   May 2 2013, 09:27 AM
914itis   Any one heard of LUSID technology paint?   May 2 2013, 10:24 AM
bulitt   You need to call Scotty. And here is my guess why...   May 2 2013, 11:32 AM
scotty b   First off, when you go in with a code for these ca...   May 2 2013, 12:36 PM
ThePaintedMan   First off, when you go in with a code for these c...   May 2 2013, 12:47 PM
bulitt   First off, when you go in with a code for these c...   May 2 2013, 02:29 PM
scotty b   Shopline is only available through the " plat...   May 2 2013, 06:52 PM
scotty b   double dirka   May 2 2013, 06:53 PM
914itis   double dirka :confused:   May 2 2013, 07:05 PM
scotty b   double dirka :confused: interweb connection h...   May 2 2013, 07:38 PM
914itis   Update I manage to sand down to the paint and rep...   May 4 2013, 07:09 PM
914itis   More   May 4 2013, 07:11 PM
bulitt   Yup. the clear should come out fine. Be careful s...   May 4 2013, 07:15 PM
Andyrew   Can you put a florescent above and take another sh...   May 4 2013, 07:48 PM
914itis   Yes it is the clear only.   May 4 2013, 07:51 PM
scotty b   that Is orange peel. Wet sand it. If you want to b...   May 4 2013, 07:56 PM
Andyrew   that Is orange peel. Wet sand it. If you want to ...   May 5 2013, 11:38 AM
914itis   Thanks all, will start wet sanding in 24 hours and...   May 4 2013, 08:15 PM
914itis   Scotty, What color code was this? you posted this ...   May 5 2013, 11:02 AM
scotty b   Scotty, What color code was this? you posted this...   May 5 2013, 02:40 PM
914itis   Scotty, What color code was this? you posted thi...   May 5 2013, 08:06 PM
914itis   Another 4 Hours of wet sand today. that makes it a...   May 6 2013, 08:52 PM
scotty b   2 DO NOT buff those spots before doing this. now...   May 7 2013, 06:00 AM
914itis   Thanks, is there a time frame to buff after wetsan...   May 7 2013, 06:05 AM
scotty b   Thanks, is there a time frame to buff after wetsa...   May 7 2013, 11:51 AM
914itis   Update After gathering everyone's profession...   May 14 2013, 09:34 AM
scotty b   :beer2:   May 14 2013, 06:13 PM
rick 918-S   Glad it worked out for you.   May 14 2013, 06:17 PM
914itis   Final product.   May 21 2013, 06:52 PM
ThePaintedMan   Way to go Paul! You did it right by repainting...   May 21 2013, 07:04 PM
914itis   Thanks, a bit of patience, and yes I learned a lot...   May 21 2013, 07:20 PM
914itis   iPhone and glare from the hot sun today. Scotty w...   May 21 2013, 07:33 PM
76-914   That really looks good Paul. :poke: Is your son ...   May 21 2013, 07:54 PM
914itis   That really looks good Paul. :poke: Is your son...   May 21 2013, 08:43 PM
Andyrew   Looks great!   May 21 2013, 10:16 PM
saigon71   Paul: Must have been frustrating as hell going th...   May 22 2013, 06:27 AM
jimkelly   good paint video - epoxy primer, 2k primer, base c...   Sep 10 2013, 09:10 AM


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