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> 1st auto-x next weekend, Next AX September 8th- only 7 points out of 3rd place with 3 events left!
scott_in_nh
post Apr 13 2013, 05:56 PM
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74, stock 2.0, stock front swaybar - no rear bar, stock front inserts, may mount an older set of adjustable Koni's I already have on the back, either way 100 lb springs, 195/65 Eagle GT's.

Looking to have fun, not too worried about much else, but I have a few basic setup questions:

I'm going to chalk the tires, but what pressure should I start at?

Full tank, half tank or empty tank?

Spare tire in or out?

The konis need to be adjusted out of the car - soft, medium or firm (keep in mind I will have to live with it on NH streets too)?

Should I overfill the oil a bit? If so how much?

What am I missing?

Thanks,

Scott
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post May 14 2013, 08:11 AM
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I'm the only 914 in SCCNH which is kinda fun - everybody loves my car and its the fastest 914 there! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I would like to go to a PCA event and will keep an eye on their schedule for an event I can make it to.

I don't have the money right now for tires so it is somewhat moot, but in the novice class I am only 1-2 seconds from being in 1st place so tires are on the short list!

Keep in mind these will still be street tires as that is all that is allowed in class.
R spec DOT tires are not allowed, but "high performance summer tires" as tirerack catagorizes them have way more grip than the "high performance all season tires" I have on there now.

My brakes work well, but I have no idea what pads are in there as they came with the car.

I will wait until after tires to go to 140 lb. springs.

As I mentioned I am having fun, but I have more fun when I can actually compete.
The other drivers in class are novices too, but to a one they are on the stickiest tires allowed and I'm not (and am still coming in 3rd)....

When they post the complete results I will take a look at the PAX time and see how I compare to the stock performance group I would be competing in if it weren't for the novice group. This might give you guys a better picture of where I am actually at.
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post May 14 2013, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(scott_in_nh @ May 14 2013, 07:11 AM) *
When they post the complete results I will take a look at the PAX time and see how I compare to the stock performance group I would be competing in if it weren't for the novice group. This might give you guys a better picture of where I am actually at.

I try one last time, after that i shut up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


You think your car is holding you back and i think you are dead wrong.
It's a common beginners mistake and we all fell for it in one way or the other.
A experienced driver could hop in your car the way it is right now, crappy tires and all and run circles around the other guys in your class that run "sticky" tires.

It's not your car that is holding you back, it's you holding your car back.

Get over your pride and ask for a few instructors to drive with you.
Let them give you pointers on how to drive the car faster. Learning to control momentum is a beautiful thing.

The sooner you understand that, the sooner you will be competitive.
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post May 14 2013, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 14 2013, 01:13 PM) *

I try one last time, after that i shut up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Hi Andy (and Randal), promises, promises! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Only kidding, I am listening and agree with almost everything you are saying!
I am sure my responses are being take way too seriously (happens on forums all the time), so please recognize that I am having a discussion, am playing devils advocate at times, am having some fun (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) and have my own point of view!

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You think your car is holding you back and i think you are dead wrong.
It's a common beginners mistake and we all fell for it in one way or the other.
A experienced driver could hop in your car the way it is right now, crappy tires and all and run circles around the other guys in your class that run "sticky" tires.
It's not your car that is holding you back, it's you holding your car back.


While I am a beginner without a lot of seat time in any particular form of racing, and please do not take this as me thinking I am a great driver - I am posting this so that you can know almost as much about me as you seem to already think you do, I have driven:

Several all night SCCA road rallies

A few AX events in the past

A fair amount of laps in a kart. it was my younger brothers but I spent some good seat time in it. He beat Scott Sharp and Randy Lajoie regularily.

An outlaw mini-sprint on dirt - I came in 3rd I 1st time driving it during time trials on a 1/4 mile dirt track. My older brother won 3 championships with it.

A paved circle track winged midget that exceeds 3G's of cornering (at least when my brother drove it) and had a 250+ hp autocraft motor in a 900 lb. car

A legend circle track car where I went fast enough my 1st time in the car to qualify mid pack (if I were to buy my own and race that is)

Did laps in a Ferarri 308 GTB at Lime Rock

I drag race my motorcycle - it is a slow one 11.66 @ 114 mph. 0 - 60 in 3.5 seconds.

I will ride my brother's 8 second drag bike this summer.

I have a single and multi-engine commercial instrument pilots license.

I grew up on dirt bikes and boats (I have a 16' 71 Glastron that does about 55 mph)

My point here is that I am not a great driver as I was off learning how to fly when my brothers were doing all the real racing, but I'm no hack either - I do have skills.
I'm new to AX but I learn quickly and recognize that I need more seat time and sure some instruction as well.
I know this sounds like I am blaming the car, what I am saying is that I know where my skill level is and I recognize what the skill level of those running in my class.
The guy running 1st can definitely drive AX better than me at this time.
The kid in second does not drive better than me.

Yes, my car has more to give then I am getting out of it, even with the current tires, but it isn't putting me on an even playing field either. Yes, one you of guys with a lot of 914 AX experience could run circles around the other rookies, but you aren't a novice, nor are you competing in a novice class.
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Get over your pride and ask for a few instructors to drive with you.
Let them give you pointers on how to drive the car faster. Learning to control momentum is a beautiful thing.


It is not a pride issue.
I have already ridden in some of their cars to see how they get it done and have no issues with taking one for a ride in my car. Pride hasn't stopped me, making great improvements on my own has, but only temporarily.
Now that I have a little seat time I will take an instructor out my next opportunity.

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The sooner you understand that, the sooner you will be competitive.
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How is 3rd place not competitive? Why are you so set against me competing on a level playing field with the rest of the cars in my class?
What class do you run in? What tires do you run? Can you win your class with all season radials? If not that must mean you need to learn to drive it right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I believe my PAX time would put me at least mid pack in a non-novice class (I'll confirm or eat crow when able).

We are all rookies, we are all getting better each time on the track which makes it hard to catch the next guy, but I am reeling in 2nd place, on my own despite the all season tires.

At least Rich understands me (and knows me personally)..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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scott_in_nh   1st auto-x next weekend   Apr 13 2013, 05:56 PM
Racer Chris   I'm going to chalk the tires, but what pressu...   Apr 13 2013, 07:04 PM
okieflyr   If it is your very first auto-x ever, don't t...   Apr 13 2013, 07:23 PM
Randal   Find an instructor to ride with you. If not trai...   Apr 13 2013, 09:57 PM
mskala   Hi Scott, If you're talking about NCR, barring...   Apr 14 2013, 06:42 PM
scott_in_nh   Hi Scott, If you're talking about NCR, barrin...   Apr 15 2013, 08:39 AM
mskala   Devens is in Ayer, MA. It is a very good site f...   Apr 15 2013, 09:56 AM
ww914   74, stock 2.0, stock front swaybar - no rear bar,...   Apr 14 2013, 06:57 PM
scott_in_nh   I will take everyones advice and take a couple of ...   Apr 15 2013, 08:41 AM
scott_in_nh   So I had a great time at the AX with my son. After...   Apr 24 2013, 07:40 AM
Matt Romanowski   Sounds like you had a a great time. You should rea...   Apr 24 2013, 08:23 AM
mskala   Sounds like you had a a great time. You should re...   Apr 24 2013, 09:58 AM
scott_in_nh   Sounds like you had a a great time. You should r...   Apr 24 2013, 10:03 AM
mskala   [quote name='mskala' post='1854629' date='Apr 24 ...   Apr 24 2013, 10:46 AM
rjames   Nice job, Scott! You're an inspiration. I...   Apr 24 2013, 01:04 PM
scott_in_nh   Nice job, Scott! You're an inspiration. I...   Apr 24 2013, 02:02 PM
Woody   Dunlop direzzas and hankook RS3s are the street ti...   Apr 24 2013, 03:42 PM
scott_in_nh   Dunlop direzzas and hankook RS3s are the street t...   Apr 24 2013, 07:14 PM
scott_in_nh   DZ101 any good or do I really need the ZII?   Apr 24 2013, 07:28 PM
okieflyr   The Direzza STAR Spec tires are the ones to run fo...   Apr 24 2013, 08:34 PM
scott_in_nh   I am reading good things about BFGoodrich g-Force ...   Apr 25 2013, 09:20 AM
scott_in_nh   3rd run... GANu4mJZ7iQ   Apr 25 2013, 05:53 PM
scott_in_nh   No comments :confused: That nobody is offering ...   Apr 26 2013, 06:30 PM
Woody   [quote name='scott_in_nh' post='185585...   Apr 27 2013, 01:20 PM
bulitt   That nobody is offering me advice isn't that u...   Apr 27 2013, 04:09 PM
ThePaintedMan   Hey Scott, I know nothing about AX, but I think...   Apr 26 2013, 10:19 PM
bulitt   And so it starts....Have fun!   Apr 27 2013, 06:04 AM
scott_in_nh   Round two this Sunday! Sorry to say I'm s...   May 1 2013, 06:40 PM
Woody   One of the things that helps me the most is after ...   May 1 2013, 07:44 PM
Randal   I'm sure the following has already been mentio...   May 3 2013, 01:11 PM
scott_in_nh   Came in 3rd in the novice group today. I aired dow...   May 5 2013, 06:29 PM
Randal   Came in 3rd in the novice group today. I aired do...   May 5 2013, 09:26 PM
scott_in_nh   So I have a stock front bar and a rear bar to put ...   May 6 2013, 02:01 PM
SirAndy   So I have a stock front bar and a rear bar to put ...   May 6 2013, 05:48 PM
Randal   [quote name='scott_in_nh' post='1860325' date='Ma...   May 6 2013, 06:01 PM
SirAndy   The only thing I didn't like in the book is hi...   May 6 2013, 06:13 PM
Randal   The only thing I didn't like in the book is h...   May 6 2013, 06:26 PM
6freak   go as fast as you can ,,,then put a good AX driver...   May 6 2013, 03:15 PM
scott_in_nh   I am having fun - Lots of it! I can't put ...   May 6 2013, 04:16 PM
6freak   I am having fun - Lots of it! I can't put...   May 8 2013, 03:24 PM
mskala   putting on new parts IMO requires taking some time...   May 6 2013, 06:51 PM
scott_in_nh   putting on new parts IMO requires taking some tim...   May 7 2013, 06:38 AM
scott_in_nh   I know riding with an instructor is a good idea an...   May 7 2013, 06:46 AM
scott_in_nh   Also :) I am competing for the Novice championship...   May 7 2013, 06:54 AM
SirAndy   The only thing stopping me is money! I disagr...   May 7 2013, 11:08 AM
scott_in_nh   [quote name='scott_in_nh' post='1860660' date='Ma...   May 7 2013, 01:18 PM
scott_in_nh   Also you can trust that even if I had $10k to...   May 7 2013, 02:14 PM
Woody   Start with some Dunlop Direzzas or the Hankook RS3...   May 8 2013, 06:40 AM
scott_in_nh   Start with some Dunlop Direzzas or the Hankook RS...   May 8 2013, 06:51 AM
Racer Chris   You can put 205s on 5.5" rims. I have them on...   May 8 2013, 10:51 AM
ThePaintedMan   You can put 205s on 5.5" rims. I have them o...   May 8 2013, 10:58 AM
scott_in_nh   You can put 205s on 5.5" rims. I have them ...   May 8 2013, 11:06 AM
Woody   I wouldn't waste the money on 195s. 205s will...   May 8 2013, 01:28 PM
Woody   Also the Rival lists the recommended rim sizes as ...   May 8 2013, 01:50 PM
scott_in_nh   Also the Rival lists the recommended rim sizes as...   May 8 2013, 03:09 PM
Woody   Actually every 205 I've checked also lists 5.5...   May 8 2013, 01:52 PM
r_towle   hoozier autox tires or khumos work in your specifi...   May 12 2013, 05:57 PM
scott_in_nh   hoozier autox tires or khumos work in your specif...   May 13 2013, 06:44 AM
r_towle   I think they are that. I dont know what UTQG 140 m...   May 13 2013, 08:20 AM
scott_in_nh   For street tires and speeding up...you need to dr...   May 13 2013, 09:57 AM
r_towle   you will never do a burn out or powerslide with a ...   May 13 2013, 04:10 PM
scott_in_nh   you will never do a burn out or powerslide with a...   May 13 2013, 05:48 PM
r_towle   its similar no matter what the situation, so slalo...   May 14 2013, 07:54 AM
scott_in_nh   I'm the only 914 in SCCNH which is kinda fun -...   May 14 2013, 08:11 AM
SirAndy   When they post the complete results I will take a ...   May 14 2013, 11:13 AM
Randal   When they post the complete results I will take a...   May 14 2013, 11:33 AM
SirAndy   Great advice Andy. <_< Don't make me .....   May 14 2013, 11:49 AM
scott_in_nh   I try one last time, after that i shut up. :D ...   May 14 2013, 12:17 PM
scott_in_nh   Sorry to post again so soon, but thought an analog...   May 14 2013, 12:32 PM
Racer Chris   Some of you guys want me to stay on old straight ...   May 14 2013, 12:43 PM
scott_in_nh   Some of you guys want me to stay on old straight...   May 14 2013, 01:29 PM
ww914   Sorry to post again so soon, but thought an analo...   May 15 2013, 09:32 AM
Borderline   Just remember that even street tires degrade with ...   May 14 2013, 01:21 PM
scott_in_nh   Just remember that even street tires degrade with...   May 14 2013, 01:26 PM
Racer Chris   I'll have to look at the tires to be sure but ...   May 14 2013, 02:07 PM
scott_in_nh   I'll have to look at the tires to be sure but...   May 14 2013, 02:44 PM
Racer Chris   The tires aren't exactly as I remembered them....   May 15 2013, 06:38 AM
scott_in_nh   Hi Warren, thanks for the post(s). I agree with wh...   May 15 2013, 09:50 AM
r_towle   See if Chris will take you out in YOUR car and sho...   May 15 2013, 09:56 AM
rwilner   Hey Scott, I have a full set of Kumho V710 DOT R t...   May 15 2013, 12:58 PM
scott_in_nh   Hey Scott, I have a full set of Kumho V710 DOT R ...   May 17 2013, 07:04 AM
scott_in_nh   Next AX is this Sunday. I haven't had time to ...   May 29 2013, 12:14 PM
r_towle   Where is the autox? Rich   May 31 2013, 03:26 PM
scott_in_nh   Where is the autox? Rich The parking lot at NH...   Jun 1 2013, 07:27 PM
scott_in_nh   My usual nemesis' weren't there, but I sli...   Jun 3 2013, 08:12 AM
scott_in_nh   1st run before I remembered to turn off the fogs (...   Jun 3 2013, 11:40 AM
r_towle   might want an anti sway bar to help that car out. ...   Jun 3 2013, 11:55 AM
scott_in_nh   might want an anti sway bar to help that car out....   Jun 3 2013, 11:57 AM
r_towle   Can you move the top of the drop link closer to th...   Jun 3 2013, 09:12 PM
scott_in_nh   Can you move the top of the drop link closer to t...   Jun 3 2013, 09:19 PM
Woody   Can you move the top of the drop link closer to ...   Jun 4 2013, 06:20 AM
scott_in_nh   It's a downhill slope from here buddy. :evi...   Jun 4 2013, 07:46 AM
r_towle   Everything is adjustable :) Think about moving th...   Jun 3 2013, 09:39 PM
scott_in_nh   Everything is adjustable :) Think about moving t...   Jun 4 2013, 07:40 AM
r_towle   Take a look at the bar, the stock ones I have remo...   Jun 4 2013, 01:03 PM
scott_in_nh   Take a look at the bar, the stock ones I have rem...   Jun 4 2013, 01:07 PM
r_towle   I would like to ask a real question. Have you spun...   Jun 4 2013, 01:07 PM
r_towle   I would suggest rear springs are the next upgrade....   Jun 4 2013, 01:12 PM
Woody   I would suggest rear springs are the next upgrade...   Jun 4 2013, 02:19 PM
scott_in_nh   Yes I have lost the back end of the car a few time...   Jun 4 2013, 02:24 PM
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