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> No power to fuel pump, seems to be a common problem around here
warrenoliver
post May 24 2013, 10:04 PM
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Car stalled on me this morning. When I tried to restart, the fuel pump would not turn on so no luck with the start. Towed it home and checked it out. It is a 73 2.0 with FI.

The pump runs when I jumper directly to the battery. I have continuity from pump connector to the #13 pin on the relay board. If I jumper from the fuse to the #13 pin, the pump comes on. The fuse is good.

I have replaced the main power relay and the fuel pump relay with known good ones. With the ignition on, when I remove and reseat the main power relay, I can feel the relay click but I do not hear the injectors click nor do I hear the fuel pump start (I got this test from Dr. 914's Tech Tips).

On the fuel pump relay socket, I have power at the 30 pin and also the 85 pin. When I jumper to the 87, it does not turn on the fuel pump.

I don't know if it is related, but I have the same problem with the heater blower relay also. I jumpered 30 to 87 and I do not have power. I am not sure but I think the car died when I had the heater blower running.

I'm stumped. What do I check next?

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post May 25 2013, 03:39 PM
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Warren,
Sorry to not answer back sooner. I have been dealing with the loss of my 16 year old puppy. It is hard when a pet you have had for so long passes.
For some reason you are not getting current flow thru the pin 30 connection on the fuel pump relay socket. It could be corrosion in the socket or corrosion where the #30 pin connects to the traces on the relay board.
Most folks assume that if there is 12 volts there when they test, then the equipment should work. Voltage is potential, current is power. Dirty or corroded connections may give a voltage reading, however when current is needed to run the equipment, the connection will not supply the necessary current. You can think of it like this: a 1/4 inch hose will give a reading of 50 PSI, so will a 5 inch hose. The 5 inch hose will flow a heck of a lot more water than a 1/4 inch. Think of the 5 inch hose as a good clean connection and the 1/4 inch as a dirty/corroded one. They both may give you a voltmeter reading of 12 volts, only one will give the current necessary to power the equipment.
Here is what I would check given your tests and results; check the sockets and relay prongs of the power relay and the fuel pump relay to make sure they are clean and make tight connections. You can spread the relay prongs slightly with a small knife to try to ensure they make good tight connections with the relay sockets. The sockets can be cleaned with a small bit of sandpaper rolled up to fit in the socket, or a small wire brush will clean the sockets also. It sounds if your relays are working, so concentrate on the prongs and sockets to see if you can get good connections.
Hope this helps,
Tom
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warrenoliver   No power to fuel pump   May 24 2013, 10:04 PM
Tom   Jumpering pin 87 of the fuel pump relay is the sam...   May 25 2013, 03:46 AM
warrenoliver   Tom, When I jumper from the fuse to 87 of the fue...   May 25 2013, 07:17 AM
warrenoliver   I tested the heater fan circuit also. The fan run...   May 25 2013, 08:00 AM
warrenoliver   I spread the pins on the relays and cleaned the co...   May 25 2013, 08:37 AM
Dave_Darling   Both the heater fan blower and the fuel pump relay...   May 25 2013, 08:45 AM
warrenoliver   Thanks Dave, The relays are good. When i have the...   May 25 2013, 09:37 AM
Dave_Darling   When i have the power supply relay in, and the ke...   May 26 2013, 11:26 AM
Jon H.   Do you still hear the clicking coming from the TPS...   May 25 2013, 04:20 AM
Cap'n Krusty   Install the 2 headlight motor relays in the FI con...   May 25 2013, 07:36 AM
warrenoliver   I tried that previously but I just tried it again ...   May 25 2013, 09:23 AM
76-914   . Here ya go http://members.rennlist.com/...   May 25 2013, 08:09 AM
warrenoliver   Thanks for the Anders troubleshooting tips. When ...   May 25 2013, 09:43 AM
Bob L.   Thanks for the Anders troubleshooting tips. When...   May 25 2013, 10:26 AM
warrenoliver   OMG, thanks Dave for the pictures. Without those,...   May 25 2013, 12:17 PM
Bob L.   OMG, thanks Dave for the pictures. Without those...   May 25 2013, 12:50 PM
warrenoliver   Oops, sorry! Thanks Bob.   May 25 2013, 02:52 PM
Tom   Warren, Sorry to not answer back sooner. I have...   May 25 2013, 03:39 PM
warrenoliver   Tom, I think you may be right but I just don...   May 25 2013, 04:42 PM
Tom   Warren, From what you have said, it doesn't...   May 25 2013, 04:59 PM
warrenoliver   Tom, I unplugged the AAR and it didn't help. ...   May 25 2013, 07:00 PM
Jon H.   Don't forget, he is also not hearing the injec...   May 25 2013, 05:22 PM
warrenoliver   I can hear clicking when I reseat the relays but I...   May 25 2013, 06:42 PM
Jon H.   I can hear clicking when I reseat the relays but ...   May 25 2013, 07:02 PM
warrenoliver   Yes, when I jumper from the fuse to the 86 socket ...   May 25 2013, 07:21 PM
Jon H.   Yes, when I jumper from the fuse to the 86 socket...   May 25 2013, 07:52 PM
warrenoliver   Thanks for all your help guys. Anyone know where I...   May 25 2013, 07:55 PM
Jon H.   Thanks for all your help guys. Anyone know where ...   May 26 2013, 05:55 AM
Tom   Warren, That could very well be the problem. ...   May 25 2013, 07:47 PM
Tom   Warren, I agree, you are getting very close to ...   May 26 2013, 12:24 PM
warrenoliver   Some great ideas there Tom. I really appreciate e...   May 26 2013, 03:31 PM
jk76.914   Warren, I agree, you are getting very close to...   May 17 2015, 05:23 PM
Tom   Warren, The #30 pin for the two relays are from...   May 26 2013, 05:03 PM
warrenoliver   I must be missing something then. When i look at ...   May 27 2013, 09:05 AM
Tom   Warren, Take another look. Follow the lines ...   May 27 2013, 09:45 AM
warrenoliver   Tom, Aha! I think you may be on to it. Even...   May 27 2013, 12:22 PM
warrenoliver   DAMN!!!!!! This thing is...   May 27 2013, 03:36 PM
warrenoliver   I think I have finally tracked it down. With the ...   May 27 2013, 07:28 PM
Jon H.   I find these electrical Gremlins to be the most fr...   May 28 2013, 04:17 AM
Tom   Warren, Very happy I could help. Glad things ...   May 28 2013, 10:56 AM
revhi109   I am also having issues with my fuel pump not comi...   Mar 30 2015, 10:12 AM
warrenoliver   I am also having issues with my fuel pump not com...   Apr 1 2015, 07:20 PM
flylarry   If the relay works and a jumper between the fuse a...   May 17 2015, 08:15 PM


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