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> No power to fuel pump, seems to be a common problem around here
warrenoliver
post May 24 2013, 10:04 PM
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Car stalled on me this morning. When I tried to restart, the fuel pump would not turn on so no luck with the start. Towed it home and checked it out. It is a 73 2.0 with FI.

The pump runs when I jumper directly to the battery. I have continuity from pump connector to the #13 pin on the relay board. If I jumper from the fuse to the #13 pin, the pump comes on. The fuse is good.

I have replaced the main power relay and the fuel pump relay with known good ones. With the ignition on, when I remove and reseat the main power relay, I can feel the relay click but I do not hear the injectors click nor do I hear the fuel pump start (I got this test from Dr. 914's Tech Tips).

On the fuel pump relay socket, I have power at the 30 pin and also the 85 pin. When I jumper to the 87, it does not turn on the fuel pump.

I don't know if it is related, but I have the same problem with the heater blower relay also. I jumpered 30 to 87 and I do not have power. I am not sure but I think the car died when I had the heater blower running.

I'm stumped. What do I check next?

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post May 27 2013, 07:28 PM
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I think I have finally tracked it down. With the key on or off, I have 12V to the 30 pin which should be normal. With the key on, I have 12V to the 85 pin which is coming from the power supply relay. These are measured on my digital multimeter. If I jump from the 85 socket, the pump runs. If I jump from the 30 socket, the pump doesn't run. So I tested with a headlight bulb to see if i could draw power from the sockets. The 85 socket tests great, the 30 socket does not light the bulb. Since the 30 socket gets its power from the fuse, I checked with the fuse holder and it lights the bulb. So this leads me to believe that there is a break somewhere between the fuse holder and the 30 socket of the relay board. Until I get a good used relay board, am using a jumper under the fuel pump relay between the 85 and 87 pin - pump runs good.

I want to thank everyone for helping - especially Tom, Dave Darling, and John H (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)


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warrenoliver   No power to fuel pump   May 24 2013, 10:04 PM
Tom   Jumpering pin 87 of the fuel pump relay is the sam...   May 25 2013, 03:46 AM
warrenoliver   Tom, When I jumper from the fuse to 87 of the fue...   May 25 2013, 07:17 AM
warrenoliver   I tested the heater fan circuit also. The fan run...   May 25 2013, 08:00 AM
warrenoliver   I spread the pins on the relays and cleaned the co...   May 25 2013, 08:37 AM
Dave_Darling   Both the heater fan blower and the fuel pump relay...   May 25 2013, 08:45 AM
warrenoliver   Thanks Dave, The relays are good. When i have the...   May 25 2013, 09:37 AM
Dave_Darling   When i have the power supply relay in, and the ke...   May 26 2013, 11:26 AM
Jon H.   Do you still hear the clicking coming from the TPS...   May 25 2013, 04:20 AM
Cap'n Krusty   Install the 2 headlight motor relays in the FI con...   May 25 2013, 07:36 AM
warrenoliver   I tried that previously but I just tried it again ...   May 25 2013, 09:23 AM
76-914   . Here ya go http://members.rennlist.com/...   May 25 2013, 08:09 AM
warrenoliver   Thanks for the Anders troubleshooting tips. When ...   May 25 2013, 09:43 AM
Bob L.   Thanks for the Anders troubleshooting tips. When...   May 25 2013, 10:26 AM
warrenoliver   OMG, thanks Dave for the pictures. Without those,...   May 25 2013, 12:17 PM
Bob L.   OMG, thanks Dave for the pictures. Without those...   May 25 2013, 12:50 PM
warrenoliver   Oops, sorry! Thanks Bob.   May 25 2013, 02:52 PM
Tom   Warren, Sorry to not answer back sooner. I have...   May 25 2013, 03:39 PM
warrenoliver   Tom, I think you may be right but I just don...   May 25 2013, 04:42 PM
Tom   Warren, From what you have said, it doesn't...   May 25 2013, 04:59 PM
warrenoliver   Tom, I unplugged the AAR and it didn't help. ...   May 25 2013, 07:00 PM
Jon H.   Don't forget, he is also not hearing the injec...   May 25 2013, 05:22 PM
warrenoliver   I can hear clicking when I reseat the relays but I...   May 25 2013, 06:42 PM
Jon H.   I can hear clicking when I reseat the relays but ...   May 25 2013, 07:02 PM
warrenoliver   Yes, when I jumper from the fuse to the 86 socket ...   May 25 2013, 07:21 PM
Jon H.   Yes, when I jumper from the fuse to the 86 socket...   May 25 2013, 07:52 PM
warrenoliver   Thanks for all your help guys. Anyone know where I...   May 25 2013, 07:55 PM
Jon H.   Thanks for all your help guys. Anyone know where ...   May 26 2013, 05:55 AM
Tom   Warren, That could very well be the problem. ...   May 25 2013, 07:47 PM
Tom   Warren, I agree, you are getting very close to ...   May 26 2013, 12:24 PM
warrenoliver   Some great ideas there Tom. I really appreciate e...   May 26 2013, 03:31 PM
jk76.914   Warren, I agree, you are getting very close to...   May 17 2015, 05:23 PM
Tom   Warren, The #30 pin for the two relays are from...   May 26 2013, 05:03 PM
warrenoliver   I must be missing something then. When i look at ...   May 27 2013, 09:05 AM
Tom   Warren, Take another look. Follow the lines ...   May 27 2013, 09:45 AM
warrenoliver   Tom, Aha! I think you may be on to it. Even...   May 27 2013, 12:22 PM
warrenoliver   DAMN!!!!!! This thing is...   May 27 2013, 03:36 PM
warrenoliver   I think I have finally tracked it down. With the ...   May 27 2013, 07:28 PM
Jon H.   I find these electrical Gremlins to be the most fr...   May 28 2013, 04:17 AM
Tom   Warren, Very happy I could help. Glad things ...   May 28 2013, 10:56 AM
revhi109   I am also having issues with my fuel pump not comi...   Mar 30 2015, 10:12 AM
warrenoliver   I am also having issues with my fuel pump not com...   Apr 1 2015, 07:20 PM
flylarry   If the relay works and a jumper between the fuse a...   May 17 2015, 08:15 PM


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