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| HalfMoon |
Jul 29 2013, 06:19 PM
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Hi all,
I just purchased a v-8 converted 914 and inherited a bunch of electrical problems So much for "turn key" and "daily driver" descriptions.... It will be some time before I can get this vehicle to pass our state inspections... The problems (electrical) so far, No power to right side headlight-SOLVED No horn (I don't even see a wire coming up the steering colum) Wipers not working Gas gauge not working Hazard lamps not working Front turn signals not working (Not even installed) Back up lights not working My first post of electrical gremlins (the right side no power to headlights) was solved rather quickly and so I thought I'd post my attacking the next problem, there's no power to any of the 5 wires to the wiper motor when the key is on and the wiper motor switch is activated on the steering colum. I don't see that this is fuse protected but I do see it on the circuit board (56, 91-optional intermittent). I'm guessing that it's not fuse protected. What test can we come up with that will tell us if the wiper is operational and beyond that (if it is) why is the switch not controlling it? Probably the relayor a ground fault I would guess, but first things first, how to test the wiper motor? Thoughts, ideas? Additional information-In another post I found that the relay for the wiper is supposed to be above the fuse panel and accessable by removing the two screws that hold the panel in. I did this but can anyone identify the relays and a test for same? Here's a picture- Also-the PO converted this to a v-8 and in a previous conversation with him about the circuit board, he alluded to the board no longer being useable during the converstion. I'm not sure if I inturperted what was being said....but I can't find a circuit board anywhere. Not being familar with 914's and having to wait for a manul from Amazon, wait for it (the dumb question), where would the circuit board be located? Assitional information-After examining an online diagram of the "relay" board, it appears as if the PO was right and (given that he removed all the heating stuff as it was no longer useable in a v-8 conversion) the relay board was no longer neccessary. That said, it appears as if the wiper motor is fused (and relayed-as it looks like I have the intermittent switch). Still hoping someone can identify the relays from my picture and mebbe have a test for that relay, but...and this is odd, one of the diagrams I've viewed (and I've posted it) indicates one of the five wires coming off the wiper (56) as going to a fuse block (60) with slots 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. That's confusing to me as I'm only aware of the 12 block fuse panel under the steering colum. Is there another one somewhere? Lol, can't wait for Amazon to deliver my 914 book :-( More info-learning curve. After much study I do not believe my wiper system had the intermittent switch and as such I shouldn't/wouldn't expect to see a relay for it. The diagrams indicate a relay is used only with the optional intermittent. Soooo, it appears as if the wiper motor is merely to a switch and it also appears as if it gets it's power from fuse panel position eight. I've tested the fuse and it's good, yet when I have the key on and the wiper switch on, I see no power at position eight on the fuse panel (either side). That's making me think the switch is bad, as I heard these fuse circuits are fused at the end of the circuit. Soooo, any cool ideas for testing the switch? Still might be of value to have a test for the wiper motor itself too. One of em is bad unless I've msitaken where the wiper motor gets it's power from (position eight). Attached thumbnail(s) |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Aug 1 2013, 06:22 PM
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That's the headlight dimmer relay. Have you found the wiring schematics for your '73 on the pelican parts dot com site yet?
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| HalfMoon |
Aug 1 2013, 06:28 PM
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| HalfMoon |
Aug 1 2013, 08:12 PM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: 13-November 12 From: Shenandoah Junction, WV Member No.: 15,144 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
That's the headlight dimmer relay. Have you found the wiring schematics for your '73 on the pelican parts dot com site yet? Hi Jeff, Yes I have the schematic from them. And while it's helpful I'm still stumped. I can't even find where the relay is. And that's because (on non-intermittent models) there is NO relay (thanks William). Earlier in the thread there was an image that confused me about a relay being employed. Now that I know there's no relay, I can start tracing down wire continuity between the switch and the motor. There is however a rather nagging question.... The wiper motor is fused at position 8 on the fuse block, right? Shouldn't one side or the other (regardless of fuse condition-mines good) be hot with the key on? |
HalfMoon No power to wipers 1973-SOLVED Jul 29 2013, 06:19 PM
HalfMoon Jeez. Will I be left to my own genuis thinking on ... Jul 30 2013, 04:08 PM
Jeff Bowlsby Patience grasshopper, lets start off with which ye... Jul 30 2013, 04:43 PM
HalfMoon [quote name='Jeff Bowlsby' post='1902314' date='Ju... Jul 30 2013, 06:14 PM
Jeff Bowlsby Whats your real name moon-man? I like knowing who... Jul 30 2013, 06:33 PM
HalfMoon
Whats your real name moon-man? I like knowing wh... Jul 30 2013, 06:43 PM
Jeff Bowlsby
Thats not an intermittent relay base, it looks l... Jul 31 2013, 12:55 PM
barefoot That 4 pin female thingy is for the fuel tank leve... Jul 31 2013, 12:43 PM
The Cabinetmaker
That 4 pin female thingy is for the fuel tank lev... Jul 31 2013, 12:49 PM
The Cabinetmaker Ha. guess I better look a little closer and engaug... Jul 31 2013, 12:58 PM
bulitt Is the Brown ground connected to the wiper body? C... Jul 31 2013, 01:34 PM
HalfMoon Lol, I'm color blind but I think you mean this... Jul 31 2013, 02:25 PM

barefoot
Lol, I'm color blind but I think you mean thi... Jul 31 2013, 03:15 PM

HalfMoon What year is that wiper motor ? My 76 does not hav... Jul 31 2013, 03:20 PM
HalfMoon Very cool wiper switch thread too :-) Jul 31 2013, 02:27 PM
HalfMoon Interesting. Today I found what I think is the wip... Aug 1 2013, 05:31 PM
bulitt The brown wire on the right of the photo
is attac... Jul 31 2013, 03:22 PM
HalfMoon
The brown wire on the right of the photo
is atta... Jul 31 2013, 06:22 PM
ripper911 FWIW I tracked my non-functional wipers down to a... Aug 1 2013, 07:30 AM
HalfMoon
FWIW I tracked my non-functional wipers down to ... Aug 1 2013, 07:59 AM
ripper911
FWIW I tracked my non-functional wipers down to... Aug 1 2013, 08:03 AM
mepstein
[quote name='HalfMoon' post='1902951' date='Aug 1... Aug 1 2013, 08:42 AM
ripper911
I have the tech tips book but don't recall ... Aug 1 2013, 09:02 AM
The Cabinetmaker there are about 700,000 tech tips in this forum. Aug 1 2013, 08:33 AM
HalfMoon And that's because (on non-intermittent models... Aug 2 2013, 09:58 PM
Jeff Bowlsby That's the headlight dimmer relay. Have you f... Aug 1 2013, 06:22 PM
bulitt Jwest is a forum vendor and offers the fuse panel.... Aug 3 2013, 05:19 AM
Jeff Bowlsby Is everything else on the fusepanl hot with the ig... Aug 3 2013, 06:39 AM
HalfMoon
Is everything else on the fusepanl hot with the i... Aug 3 2013, 02:42 PM
Jeff Bowlsby
Just out to the garage to test the fuse block an... Aug 3 2013, 03:04 PM
HalfMoon
Just out to the garage to test the fuse block a... Aug 3 2013, 03:27 PM
bulitt 1973 fuse assignments
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http://www.914world.com... Aug 3 2013, 03:01 PM
HalfMoon Addedum (easier to read)
Key off- ... Aug 3 2013, 04:07 PM
HalfMoon I'm happy to report the problem is solved.
On ... Aug 10 2013, 06:32 PM
76-914 Nice work. I would have missed that and burned my ... Aug 11 2013, 08:21 AM
theleschyouknow reviving an old(ish) thread
73 2.0 I have the same... Apr 13 2015, 07:31 PM
Dave_Darling The horn relay is on top of the fuse panel. The p... Apr 13 2015, 08:18 PM
theleschyouknow
The horn relay is on top of the fuse panel. The ... Apr 14 2015, 08:04 AM
theleschyouknow
The horn relay is on top of the fuse panel. The... Apr 14 2015, 05:06 PM
theleschyouknow
[quote name='theleschyouknow' post='2174012' date... Apr 14 2015, 06:32 PM
396 Off topic, what ever become of your " master... Apr 13 2015, 09:27 PM
Tom HalfMoon,
That relay is J 13 and is called th... Apr 14 2015, 12:21 PM
Dave_Darling Yes, those. The whole thing will hang down by the... Apr 14 2015, 09:47 PM![]() ![]() |
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