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lsintampa
post Aug 18 2013, 10:33 AM
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Boring story, but it looks like I need to get into my motor. The motor came with the car and was nice and clean. All parts that could be powder coated were, it was like new looking. It also had valves re-adjusted, leak tested (OK), and internal probes showed it to be very clean (info from PO).

It sat on my garage floor for 5 months while I tended to the car's other needs. I did drop some oil into each cylinder before I put the plugs in. But the fuel feeder tubes and inlet ports were wide open for a while. But plugged with rags (noted).

Anyway now that I'm finally getting around to trying to start it, the motor is all but seized up. It turns, but it is really hard to move and when it does, it sounds raspy like it's grinding something or scraping something. Hard to explain but it don't sound good.

So, I'm starting all over and I'm going to drop that motor back out and get into it. It is the ONLY way that I will know for sure what I'm dealing with.

Thanks for everyone that's helped along the way. I'm sure once I get into this motor, I'll be looking for help once again.

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post Aug 20 2013, 11:14 AM
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So wife's surgery was delayed until further notice. It's complicated.

Anyway, dropped the motor this morning and I don't know if I should start at the front or back first?

Picture is of the front. I pulled those three bolts to see what they looked like on the ends and they look fine.

SO, I'm thinking to start in the back by pulling tranny.

Will do that after lunch.

But tell me if those three bolts that hold the cooling fan on look OK on the ends, is it safe to assume the front isn't where I should be looking.

Mindful the flywheel was new according to the PO - so me thinks the back is where the issue may show up.

Thanks,

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post Aug 20 2013, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(lsintampa @ Aug 20 2013, 12:14 PM) *

So wife's surgery was delayed until further notice. It's complicated.

Anyway, dropped the motor this morning and I don't know if I should start at the front or back first?

Picture is of the front. I pulled those three bolts to see what they looked like on the ends and they look fine.

SO, I'm thinking to start in the back by pulling tranny.

Will do that after lunch.

But tell me if those three bolts that hold the cooling fan on look OK on the ends, is it safe to assume the front isn't where I should be looking.

Mindful the flywheel was new according to the PO - so me thinks the back is where the issue may show up.

Thanks,

Len

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Take the pulley off! Make sure there is a washer (spacer) behind it!
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post Aug 20 2013, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(Bartlett 914 @ Aug 20 2013, 01:22 PM) *

Take the pulley off! Make sure there is a washer (spacer) behind it!


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) You'll have to tug on it from different angles, but the fan (impeller) should pop right off. Check to make sure there is that spacer I told you about (consult the Porsche PET diagram if in doubt) behind it.


If nothing is obvious there, here is what I would do:

Move to the transmission to ensure its not an obvious clutch/flywheel problem - only four nuts to remove to do this.

If still nothing is apparent, I'd move back to the front and remove the fan shroud. Again four nuts behind the impeller holding that on. Then remove the single bolt holding the fan hub onto the crank and remove the hub. At that point you would be able to see the front main seal and verify that the fan bolts (which may have been too long because they were used with the a/c adapter that was on the car originally) did not interfere with the seal/case.

If THAT isn't it, move back to the transmission end and remove the flywheel to check for some kind of interference there.

Finally, if no other problems present themselves, move back to the front of the motor and remove the oil pump. It's possible that a Type I oil pump could have been installed and not modified correctly and that has been known to interfere with the cam bolts. If this is the case, you'll probably end up getting rid of this motor, as you and I discussed you don't want to do any internal work with it.
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lsintampa   Motor tear down   Aug 18 2013, 10:33 AM
Bartlett 914   That seems pretty extreme. How did it turn over wh...   Aug 18 2013, 10:47 AM
lsintampa   That seems pretty extreme. How did it turn over w...   Aug 18 2013, 11:52 AM
stugray   Did the PO possibly install a "better" o...   Aug 18 2013, 01:29 PM
lsintampa   Did the PO possibly install a "better" ...   Aug 18 2013, 02:07 PM
r_towle   To get it primed, remove all the plugs and spin it...   Aug 18 2013, 02:06 PM
lsintampa   To get it primed, remove all the plugs and spin i...   Aug 18 2013, 02:09 PM
lsintampa   I can see why you all may be confused. When I sa...   Aug 18 2013, 02:12 PM
Java2570   I know you've had several threads here lately ...   Aug 18 2013, 02:28 PM
stugray   Oil pump "upgrades" to the type-I pump...   Aug 18 2013, 02:50 PM
lsintampa   Oil pump "upgrades" to the type-I pum...   Aug 18 2013, 02:55 PM
Bartlett 914   Sorry but I thought you rebuilt it. Remove the plu...   Aug 18 2013, 03:05 PM
r_towle   Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept ...   Aug 18 2013, 05:15 PM
lsintampa   Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept...   Aug 18 2013, 09:09 PM
r_towle   Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kep...   Aug 19 2013, 10:56 AM
Vacca Rabite   Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept...   Aug 19 2013, 06:51 AM
stugray   If you reinstall the fan without the proper spacer...   Aug 18 2013, 09:12 PM
lsintampa   If you reinstall the fan without the proper space...   Aug 19 2013, 06:33 AM
nathansnathan   If you reinstall the fan without the proper spac...   Aug 19 2013, 07:10 AM
Bartlett 914   [quote name='lsintampa' post='1911524' date='Aug ...   Aug 19 2013, 07:16 AM
speed metal army   Not in gear is it ? Just checking....   Aug 18 2013, 09:55 PM
malcolm2   Not in gear is it ? Just checking.... that was...   Aug 20 2013, 01:17 PM
mepstein   I't didn't seize from sitting in your gara...   Aug 19 2013, 06:26 AM
Bartlett 914   I't didn't seize from sitting in your gar...   Aug 19 2013, 12:31 PM
lsintampa   Started today. I work out of my home office, an...   Aug 19 2013, 11:07 AM
r_towle   Started today. I work out of my home office, a...   Aug 19 2013, 11:10 AM
ThePaintedMan   You may have a simple issue here with the flywhee...   Aug 19 2013, 11:58 AM
lsintampa   You may have a simple issue here with the flywhe...   Aug 19 2013, 12:23 PM
stugray   Harbor freight has a tranny jack that makes remo...   Aug 19 2013, 01:35 PM
malcolm2   Harbor freight has a tranny jack that makes rem...   Aug 20 2013, 01:25 PM
r_towle   Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the w...   Aug 19 2013, 02:30 PM
ThePaintedMan   Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the ...   Aug 19 2013, 02:47 PM
lsintampa   Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the...   Aug 19 2013, 07:22 PM
r_towle   I cant lift one anymore, but I could bend over the...   Aug 19 2013, 02:58 PM
lsintampa   So wife's surgery was delayed until further no...   Aug 20 2013, 11:14 AM
Bartlett 914   So wife's surgery was delayed until further n...   Aug 20 2013, 11:22 AM
ThePaintedMan   Take the pulley off! Make sure there is a was...   Aug 20 2013, 12:04 PM
lsintampa   Pulled the fan pulley off. There wasn't any s...   Aug 20 2013, 12:10 PM
ThePaintedMan   That looks like it was supposed to be there to dri...   Aug 20 2013, 12:18 PM
Java2570   Cars with AC had that pulley installed behind the ...   Aug 20 2013, 12:18 PM
lsintampa   OK, Minor success, but there has to be an easier ...   Aug 20 2013, 01:36 PM
Bartlett 914   You can see in your picture the fan was rubbing...   Aug 20 2013, 01:44 PM
lsintampa   You can see in your picture the fan was rubbing...   Aug 20 2013, 01:52 PM
ThePaintedMan   I don't see that... but then again, there is v...   Aug 20 2013, 01:53 PM
Bartlett 914   I don't see that... but then again, there is ...   Aug 20 2013, 02:03 PM
lsintampa   I don't see that... but then again, there is...   Aug 20 2013, 02:16 PM
The Cabinetmaker   One more for seeing no scraping marks.   Aug 20 2013, 02:58 PM
Bartlett 914   The "X" marks the ring I am seeing.   Aug 20 2013, 03:14 PM
Java2570   If your crank end play is out of spec, it can easi...   Aug 20 2013, 03:18 PM
stugray   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i366....   Aug 20 2013, 03:19 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Fresh scraps will leave shiny metal. That does not...   Aug 20 2013, 03:28 PM
ThePaintedMan   :agree: It's not shiny, it's just the wa...   Aug 20 2013, 03:36 PM
dlee6204   Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it ...   Aug 20 2013, 07:12 PM
Jeffs9146   Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it...   Aug 20 2013, 07:22 PM
lsintampa   Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it...   Aug 20 2013, 09:08 PM
Bartlett 914   Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed i...   Aug 20 2013, 09:49 PM
ThePaintedMan   That's another good suggestion. If we don...   Aug 20 2013, 07:42 PM
r_towle   Was the flywheel reground? Resurfaced? Put in wit...   Aug 20 2013, 08:57 PM
lsintampa   FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is ridin...   Aug 21 2013, 08:56 AM
ThePaintedMan   FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is ridi...   Aug 21 2013, 09:07 AM
Bartlett 914   FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is rid...   Aug 21 2013, 09:36 AM
lsintampa   [quote name='ThePaintedMan' post='1912768' date='...   Aug 21 2013, 10:05 AM
ThePaintedMan   Found this. So is one a shim and one a washer? ...   Aug 21 2013, 10:09 AM
lsintampa   Found this. So is one a shim and one a washer? ...   Aug 21 2013, 10:25 AM
lsintampa   One more thing that I thought was ODD. When I did...   Aug 21 2013, 09:07 AM
Spoke   One more thing that I thought was ODD. When I di...   Aug 21 2013, 03:45 PM
lsintampa   Where would I find shims? I took the fork off and...   Aug 21 2013, 09:51 AM
lsintampa   Heard from the PO This is the flywheel that was u...   Aug 21 2013, 09:54 AM
lsintampa   I took out the thicker of the two "shims...   Aug 21 2013, 02:18 PM
ThePaintedMan   I took out the thicker of the two "shims...   Aug 21 2013, 03:55 PM
carguy914   Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, th...   Aug 21 2013, 04:44 PM
ThePaintedMan   Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, t...   Aug 21 2013, 06:39 PM
lsintampa   Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, t...   Aug 21 2013, 06:43 PM
carguy914   Len. Sounds like your in good hands!! Be...   Aug 21 2013, 08:54 PM
ThePaintedMan   Roger, I did some more reading and found out a lit...   Aug 21 2013, 09:28 PM
lsintampa   Roger, I did some more reading and found out a li...   Aug 22 2013, 06:27 AM
Bartlett 914   Question: in a normal setup does the TO bearing...   Aug 22 2013, 07:51 AM
lsintampa   Question: in a normal setup does the TO bearin...   Aug 22 2013, 08:15 AM
rhodyguy   the flywheel bolts were ground down to ensure they...   Aug 22 2013, 08:25 AM
ThePaintedMan   :agree: When the engine/trans combo is bolted to...   Aug 22 2013, 08:43 AM
Bartlett 914   :agree: When the engine/trans combo is bolted t...   Aug 22 2013, 08:57 AM
ThePaintedMan   What I stated is to put the correct amount of sp...   Aug 22 2013, 09:23 AM
Bartlett 914   What I stated is to put the correct amount of s...   Aug 22 2013, 09:37 AM
rhodyguy   also note there is a dimension, 10mm, you want to ...   Aug 22 2013, 09:09 AM
ThePaintedMan   Glad we're on the same page. :beer2: I doubt ...   Aug 22 2013, 09:43 AM
lsintampa   Glad we're on the same page. :beer2: I doubt...   Aug 22 2013, 09:57 AM
stugray   The wrong throwout bearing could also cause a prob...   Aug 22 2013, 10:25 AM
lsintampa   The wrong throwout bearing could also cause a pro...   Aug 22 2013, 10:43 AM
ThePaintedMan   Great point Stu, didn't think of that. I looke...   Aug 22 2013, 11:27 AM
Bartlett 914   I just removed a pivot ball from an original trann...   Aug 22 2013, 11:35 AM
lsintampa   I just removed a pivot ball from an original tran...   Aug 22 2013, 12:03 PM
lsintampa   I just removed a pivot ball from an original tran...   Aug 22 2013, 12:11 PM
John Jentz   Check the distance from the flywheel friction face...   Aug 22 2013, 12:05 PM
lsintampa   Check the distance from the flywheel friction fac...   Aug 22 2013, 12:21 PM
lsintampa   IDK, My opinion (for what that's worth) is t...   Aug 22 2013, 12:38 PM
rhodyguy   this setup worked fine when pulled. 1 1/2" fr...   Aug 22 2013, 01:07 PM
lsintampa   this setup worked fine when pulled. 1 1/2" f...   Aug 22 2013, 01:40 PM
lsintampa   Can anyone tell me how fat / tall the pressure pla...   Aug 22 2013, 01:52 PM
lsintampa   Here's that fork I was talking about. This po...   Aug 22 2013, 02:13 PM
ThePaintedMan   Len, no indent on any of my clutch forks. Is you...   Aug 22 2013, 02:35 PM
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