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| lsintampa |
Aug 18 2013, 10:33 AM
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75 914/4 2.0 d-jet
Boring story, but it looks like I need to get into my motor. The motor came with the car and was nice and clean. All parts that could be powder coated were, it was like new looking. It also had valves re-adjusted, leak tested (OK), and internal probes showed it to be very clean (info from PO). It sat on my garage floor for 5 months while I tended to the car's other needs. I did drop some oil into each cylinder before I put the plugs in. But the fuel feeder tubes and inlet ports were wide open for a while. But plugged with rags (noted). Anyway now that I'm finally getting around to trying to start it, the motor is all but seized up. It turns, but it is really hard to move and when it does, it sounds raspy like it's grinding something or scraping something. Hard to explain but it don't sound good. So, I'm starting all over and I'm going to drop that motor back out and get into it. It is the ONLY way that I will know for sure what I'm dealing with. Thanks for everyone that's helped along the way. I'm sure once I get into this motor, I'll be looking for help once again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) |
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| lsintampa |
Aug 21 2013, 08:56 AM
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| ThePaintedMan |
Aug 21 2013, 09:07 AM
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FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is riding on the pressure plate. Question now is WHY??? That's good. The fork has to have both a bushing underneath it as well as a retaining "fork." If you remove that allen head screw and consult the diagram in the PET, you'll see what I mean. Ensure that it's assembled correctly. Also, it's common for people to "shim" the clutch lever ball stud with a washer when material is removed from the flywheel. This returns the original amount of leverage to the lever, but it is possible they shimmed it too much? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
| Bartlett 914 |
Aug 21 2013, 09:36 AM
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FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is riding on the pressure plate. Question now is WHY??? Also, it's common for people to "shim" the clutch lever ball stud with a washer when material is removed from the flywheel. This returns the original amount of leverage to the lever, but it is possible they shimmed it too much? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Good find! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Maybe they shimmed this for the old flywheel. Now it is a new one and doesn't need them. |
| lsintampa |
Aug 21 2013, 10:05 AM
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FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is riding on the pressure plate. Question now is WHY??? Also, it's common for people to "shim" the clutch lever ball stud with a washer when material is removed from the flywheel. This returns the original amount of leverage to the lever, but it is possible they shimmed it too much? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Good find! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Maybe they shimmed this for the old flywheel. Now it is a new one and doesn't need them. AHH, I read what you said again. In my mind, if I were to shim it, I'd put a shim behind the TO bearing - moving it forward and the fork back. But shims behind the ball would push the fork forward and the TO bearing back. Found this. So is one a shim and one a washer? I need to toss one or both? What a drama this has been. BTW - my end play is fine, checked it today. |
| ThePaintedMan |
Aug 21 2013, 10:09 AM
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Found this. So is one a shim and one a washer? I need to toss one or both? What a drama this has been. BTW - my end play is fine, checked it today. The shim would go behind the ball stud, NOTHING should be behind the throwout bearing. Try it with only one of those washers under the ball stud and see if the fork still rubs on the clutch at full engagement. |
| lsintampa |
Aug 21 2013, 10:25 AM
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 520 Joined: 28-January 13 From: Tampa, FL Member No.: 15,441 Region Association: South East States |
Found this. So is one a shim and one a washer? I need to toss one or both? What a drama this has been. BTW - my end play is fine, checked it today. The shim would go behind the ball stud, NOTHING should be behind the throwout bearing. Try it with only one of those washers under the ball stud and see if the fork still rubs on the clutch at full engagement. PET shows a washer behind the ball stud. Looks like the shim is the thicker one. Anybody need a ball socket shim? |
lsintampa Motor tear down Aug 18 2013, 10:33 AM
Bartlett 914 That seems pretty extreme. How did it turn over wh... Aug 18 2013, 10:47 AM
lsintampa
That seems pretty extreme. How did it turn over w... Aug 18 2013, 11:52 AM
stugray Did the PO possibly install a "better" o... Aug 18 2013, 01:29 PM
lsintampa
Did the PO possibly install a "better" ... Aug 18 2013, 02:07 PM
r_towle To get it primed, remove all the plugs and spin it... Aug 18 2013, 02:06 PM
lsintampa
To get it primed, remove all the plugs and spin i... Aug 18 2013, 02:09 PM
lsintampa I can see why you all may be confused.
When I sa... Aug 18 2013, 02:12 PM
Java2570 I know you've had several threads here lately ... Aug 18 2013, 02:28 PM
stugray
Oil pump "upgrades" to the type-I pump... Aug 18 2013, 02:50 PM
lsintampa
Oil pump "upgrades" to the type-I pum... Aug 18 2013, 02:55 PM
Bartlett 914 Sorry but I thought you rebuilt it. Remove the plu... Aug 18 2013, 03:05 PM
r_towle Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept ... Aug 18 2013, 05:15 PM
lsintampa
Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept... Aug 18 2013, 09:09 PM

r_towle
Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kep... Aug 19 2013, 10:56 AM
Vacca Rabite
Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept... Aug 19 2013, 06:51 AM
stugray If you reinstall the fan without the proper spacer... Aug 18 2013, 09:12 PM
lsintampa
If you reinstall the fan without the proper space... Aug 19 2013, 06:33 AM
nathansnathan
If you reinstall the fan without the proper spac... Aug 19 2013, 07:10 AM
Bartlett 914
[quote name='lsintampa' post='1911524' date='Aug ... Aug 19 2013, 07:16 AM
speed metal army Not in gear is it ? Just checking.... Aug 18 2013, 09:55 PM
malcolm2
Not in gear is it ? Just checking....
that was... Aug 20 2013, 01:17 PM
mepstein I't didn't seize from sitting in your gara... Aug 19 2013, 06:26 AM
Bartlett 914
I't didn't seize from sitting in your gar... Aug 19 2013, 12:31 PM
lsintampa Started today.
I work out of my home office, an... Aug 19 2013, 11:07 AM
r_towle
Started today.
I work out of my home office, a... Aug 19 2013, 11:10 AM
ThePaintedMan
You may have a simple issue here with the flywhee... Aug 19 2013, 11:58 AM
lsintampa
You may have a simple issue here with the flywhe... Aug 19 2013, 12:23 PM
stugray
Harbor freight has a tranny jack that makes remo... Aug 19 2013, 01:35 PM
malcolm2
Harbor freight has a tranny jack that makes rem... Aug 20 2013, 01:25 PM
r_towle Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the w... Aug 19 2013, 02:30 PM
ThePaintedMan
Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the ... Aug 19 2013, 02:47 PM
lsintampa
Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the... Aug 19 2013, 07:22 PM
r_towle I cant lift one anymore, but I could bend over the... Aug 19 2013, 02:58 PM
lsintampa So wife's surgery was delayed until further no... Aug 20 2013, 11:14 AM
Bartlett 914
So wife's surgery was delayed until further n... Aug 20 2013, 11:22 AM
ThePaintedMan
Take the pulley off! Make sure there is a was... Aug 20 2013, 12:04 PM
lsintampa Pulled the fan pulley off.
There wasn't any s... Aug 20 2013, 12:10 PM
ThePaintedMan That looks like it was supposed to be there to dri... Aug 20 2013, 12:18 PM
Java2570 Cars with AC had that pulley installed behind the ... Aug 20 2013, 12:18 PM
lsintampa OK,
Minor success, but there has to be an easier ... Aug 20 2013, 01:36 PM
Bartlett 914 You can see in your picture the fan was rubbing... Aug 20 2013, 01:44 PM
lsintampa
You can see in your picture the fan was rubbing... Aug 20 2013, 01:52 PM
ThePaintedMan I don't see that... but then again, there is v... Aug 20 2013, 01:53 PM
Bartlett 914
I don't see that... but then again, there is ... Aug 20 2013, 02:03 PM
lsintampa
I don't see that... but then again, there is... Aug 20 2013, 02:16 PM
The Cabinetmaker One more for seeing no scraping marks. Aug 20 2013, 02:58 PM
Bartlett 914 The "X" marks the ring I am seeing. Aug 20 2013, 03:14 PM
Java2570 If your crank end play is out of spec, it can easi... Aug 20 2013, 03:18 PM
stugray http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i366.... Aug 20 2013, 03:19 PM
The Cabinetmaker Fresh scraps will leave shiny metal. That does not... Aug 20 2013, 03:28 PM
ThePaintedMan :agree:
It's not shiny, it's just the wa... Aug 20 2013, 03:36 PM
dlee6204 Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it ... Aug 20 2013, 07:12 PM
Jeffs9146
Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it... Aug 20 2013, 07:22 PM
lsintampa
Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it... Aug 20 2013, 09:08 PM
Bartlett 914
Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed i... Aug 20 2013, 09:49 PM
ThePaintedMan That's another good suggestion. If we don... Aug 20 2013, 07:42 PM
r_towle Was the flywheel reground? Resurfaced?
Put in wit... Aug 20 2013, 08:57 PM
lsintampa One more thing that I thought was ODD.
When I did... Aug 21 2013, 09:07 AM
Spoke
One more thing that I thought was ODD.
When I di... Aug 21 2013, 03:45 PM
lsintampa Where would I find shims?
I took the fork off and... Aug 21 2013, 09:51 AM
lsintampa Heard from the PO
This is the flywheel that was u... Aug 21 2013, 09:54 AM
lsintampa I took out the thicker of the two "shims... Aug 21 2013, 02:18 PM
ThePaintedMan
I took out the thicker of the two "shims... Aug 21 2013, 03:55 PM
carguy914 Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, th... Aug 21 2013, 04:44 PM
ThePaintedMan
Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, t... Aug 21 2013, 06:39 PM
lsintampa
Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, t... Aug 21 2013, 06:43 PM
carguy914 Len.
Sounds like your in good hands!!
Be... Aug 21 2013, 08:54 PM
ThePaintedMan Roger, I did some more reading and found out a lit... Aug 21 2013, 09:28 PM
lsintampa
Roger, I did some more reading and found out a li... Aug 22 2013, 06:27 AM
Bartlett 914
Question: in a normal setup does the TO bearing... Aug 22 2013, 07:51 AM
lsintampa
Question: in a normal setup does the TO bearin... Aug 22 2013, 08:15 AM
rhodyguy the flywheel bolts were ground down to ensure they... Aug 22 2013, 08:25 AM
ThePaintedMan :agree:
When the engine/trans combo is bolted to... Aug 22 2013, 08:43 AM
Bartlett 914
:agree:
When the engine/trans combo is bolted t... Aug 22 2013, 08:57 AM
ThePaintedMan
What I stated is to put the correct amount of sp... Aug 22 2013, 09:23 AM
Bartlett 914
What I stated is to put the correct amount of s... Aug 22 2013, 09:37 AM
rhodyguy also note there is a dimension, 10mm, you want to ... Aug 22 2013, 09:09 AM
ThePaintedMan Glad we're on the same page. :beer2: I doubt ... Aug 22 2013, 09:43 AM
lsintampa
Glad we're on the same page. :beer2: I doubt... Aug 22 2013, 09:57 AM
stugray The wrong throwout bearing could also cause a prob... Aug 22 2013, 10:25 AM
lsintampa
The wrong throwout bearing could also cause a pro... Aug 22 2013, 10:43 AM
ThePaintedMan Great point Stu, didn't think of that. I looke... Aug 22 2013, 11:27 AM
Bartlett 914 I just removed a pivot ball from an original trann... Aug 22 2013, 11:35 AM
lsintampa
I just removed a pivot ball from an original tran... Aug 22 2013, 12:03 PM
lsintampa
I just removed a pivot ball from an original tran... Aug 22 2013, 12:11 PM
John Jentz Check the distance from the flywheel friction face... Aug 22 2013, 12:05 PM
lsintampa
Check the distance from the flywheel friction fac... Aug 22 2013, 12:21 PM
lsintampa IDK,
My opinion (for what that's worth) is t... Aug 22 2013, 12:38 PM
rhodyguy this setup worked fine when pulled. 1 1/2" fr... Aug 22 2013, 01:07 PM
lsintampa
this setup worked fine when pulled. 1 1/2" f... Aug 22 2013, 01:40 PM
lsintampa Can anyone tell me how fat / tall the pressure pla... Aug 22 2013, 01:52 PM
lsintampa Here's that fork I was talking about.
This po... Aug 22 2013, 02:13 PM
ThePaintedMan
Len, no indent on any of my clutch forks. Is you... Aug 22 2013, 02:35 PM![]() ![]() |
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