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lsintampa
post Aug 18 2013, 10:33 AM
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Boring story, but it looks like I need to get into my motor. The motor came with the car and was nice and clean. All parts that could be powder coated were, it was like new looking. It also had valves re-adjusted, leak tested (OK), and internal probes showed it to be very clean (info from PO).

It sat on my garage floor for 5 months while I tended to the car's other needs. I did drop some oil into each cylinder before I put the plugs in. But the fuel feeder tubes and inlet ports were wide open for a while. But plugged with rags (noted).

Anyway now that I'm finally getting around to trying to start it, the motor is all but seized up. It turns, but it is really hard to move and when it does, it sounds raspy like it's grinding something or scraping something. Hard to explain but it don't sound good.

So, I'm starting all over and I'm going to drop that motor back out and get into it. It is the ONLY way that I will know for sure what I'm dealing with.

Thanks for everyone that's helped along the way. I'm sure once I get into this motor, I'll be looking for help once again.

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ThePaintedMan
post Aug 22 2013, 08:43 AM
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When the engine/trans combo is bolted together, you should have some play in the clutch fork. It should easily move by hand. When the cable is attached, there will be enough pressure on the fork to keep the clevis in when the clutch is all the way out. The way it is now is WRONG - the fork should not be pressed all the way back toward the engine at rest.

If we know that the only thing that was changed from the way it was when it was last bolted together was the flywheel, why should we start with the pressure plate? To boot, that is one of the suspect Chinese-made AA flywheels which others have had problems with. What you could do is at least check the specs of the flywheel as in this thread:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...ywheel++measure

While you're at it, try to find some kind of markings on the pressure plate to determine if it is a 914 part. However, if Roger could tell us if the clutch fork had play previous to the new flywheel, that would pretty much point us in the right direction.
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post Aug 22 2013, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(ThePaintedMan @ Aug 22 2013, 09:43 AM) *

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When the engine/trans combo is bolted together, you should have some play in the clutch fork. It should easily move by hand. When the cable is attached, there will be enough pressure on the fork to keep the clevis in when the clutch is all the way out. The way it is now is WRONG - the fork should not be pressed all the way back toward the engine at rest.

If we know that the only thing that was changed from the way it was when it was last bolted together was the flywheel, why should we start with the pressure plate? To boot, that is one of the suspect Chinese-made AA flywheels which others have had problems with. What you could do is at least check the specs of the flywheel as in this thread:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...ywheel++measure

While you're at it, try to find some kind of markings on the pressure plate to determine if it is a 914 part. However, if Roger could tell us if the clutch fork had play previous to the new flywheel, that would pretty much point us in the right direction.

What I stated is to put the correct amount of spacers under the ball pivot to give you 1/2" of play. This is not an absolute number! Use enough spacer under the pivot to give you "some" play.

What clevis are you talking about? Are you talking about the pin in the pedal. That pin must be correct and pressed in place. If it is loose at all, it will fail. Period. If you are talking about the clevis at the clutch lever at the transmission, it cannot fall out. The clutch cable goes through a notch.
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What I stated is to put the correct amount of spacers under the ball pivot to give you 1/2" of play. This is not an absolute number! Use enough spacer under the pivot to give you "some" play.



Right now he has tried it with the stock 1 spacer and the fork is still rubbing the pressure plate and the fork is pressed all the way back toward the engine. Wouldn't adding more spacers provide less play (but more leverage)?
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lsintampa   Motor tear down   Aug 18 2013, 10:33 AM
Bartlett 914   That seems pretty extreme. How did it turn over wh...   Aug 18 2013, 10:47 AM
lsintampa   That seems pretty extreme. How did it turn over w...   Aug 18 2013, 11:52 AM
stugray   Did the PO possibly install a "better" o...   Aug 18 2013, 01:29 PM
lsintampa   Did the PO possibly install a "better" ...   Aug 18 2013, 02:07 PM
r_towle   To get it primed, remove all the plugs and spin it...   Aug 18 2013, 02:06 PM
lsintampa   To get it primed, remove all the plugs and spin i...   Aug 18 2013, 02:09 PM
lsintampa   I can see why you all may be confused. When I sa...   Aug 18 2013, 02:12 PM
Java2570   I know you've had several threads here lately ...   Aug 18 2013, 02:28 PM
stugray   Oil pump "upgrades" to the type-I pump...   Aug 18 2013, 02:50 PM
lsintampa   Oil pump "upgrades" to the type-I pum...   Aug 18 2013, 02:55 PM
Bartlett 914   Sorry but I thought you rebuilt it. Remove the plu...   Aug 18 2013, 03:05 PM
r_towle   Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept ...   Aug 18 2013, 05:15 PM
lsintampa   Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept...   Aug 18 2013, 09:09 PM
r_towle   Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kep...   Aug 19 2013, 10:56 AM
Vacca Rabite   Sorry, throughout you fuel injector saga you kept...   Aug 19 2013, 06:51 AM
stugray   If you reinstall the fan without the proper spacer...   Aug 18 2013, 09:12 PM
lsintampa   If you reinstall the fan without the proper space...   Aug 19 2013, 06:33 AM
nathansnathan   If you reinstall the fan without the proper spac...   Aug 19 2013, 07:10 AM
Bartlett 914   [quote name='lsintampa' post='1911524' date='Aug ...   Aug 19 2013, 07:16 AM
speed metal army   Not in gear is it ? Just checking....   Aug 18 2013, 09:55 PM
malcolm2   Not in gear is it ? Just checking.... that was...   Aug 20 2013, 01:17 PM
mepstein   I't didn't seize from sitting in your gara...   Aug 19 2013, 06:26 AM
Bartlett 914   I't didn't seize from sitting in your gar...   Aug 19 2013, 12:31 PM
lsintampa   Started today. I work out of my home office, an...   Aug 19 2013, 11:07 AM
r_towle   Started today. I work out of my home office, a...   Aug 19 2013, 11:10 AM
ThePaintedMan   You may have a simple issue here with the flywhee...   Aug 19 2013, 11:58 AM
lsintampa   You may have a simple issue here with the flywhe...   Aug 19 2013, 12:23 PM
stugray   Harbor freight has a tranny jack that makes remo...   Aug 19 2013, 01:35 PM
malcolm2   Harbor freight has a tranny jack that makes rem...   Aug 20 2013, 01:25 PM
r_towle   Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the w...   Aug 19 2013, 02:30 PM
ThePaintedMan   Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the ...   Aug 19 2013, 02:47 PM
lsintampa   Spare tire no rim also works....you can drag the...   Aug 19 2013, 07:22 PM
r_towle   I cant lift one anymore, but I could bend over the...   Aug 19 2013, 02:58 PM
lsintampa   So wife's surgery was delayed until further no...   Aug 20 2013, 11:14 AM
Bartlett 914   So wife's surgery was delayed until further n...   Aug 20 2013, 11:22 AM
ThePaintedMan   Take the pulley off! Make sure there is a was...   Aug 20 2013, 12:04 PM
lsintampa   Pulled the fan pulley off. There wasn't any s...   Aug 20 2013, 12:10 PM
ThePaintedMan   That looks like it was supposed to be there to dri...   Aug 20 2013, 12:18 PM
Java2570   Cars with AC had that pulley installed behind the ...   Aug 20 2013, 12:18 PM
lsintampa   OK, Minor success, but there has to be an easier ...   Aug 20 2013, 01:36 PM
Bartlett 914   You can see in your picture the fan was rubbing...   Aug 20 2013, 01:44 PM
lsintampa   You can see in your picture the fan was rubbing...   Aug 20 2013, 01:52 PM
ThePaintedMan   I don't see that... but then again, there is v...   Aug 20 2013, 01:53 PM
Bartlett 914   I don't see that... but then again, there is ...   Aug 20 2013, 02:03 PM
lsintampa   I don't see that... but then again, there is...   Aug 20 2013, 02:16 PM
The Cabinetmaker   One more for seeing no scraping marks.   Aug 20 2013, 02:58 PM
Bartlett 914   The "X" marks the ring I am seeing.   Aug 20 2013, 03:14 PM
Java2570   If your crank end play is out of spec, it can easi...   Aug 20 2013, 03:18 PM
stugray   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i366....   Aug 20 2013, 03:19 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Fresh scraps will leave shiny metal. That does not...   Aug 20 2013, 03:28 PM
ThePaintedMan   :agree: It's not shiny, it's just the wa...   Aug 20 2013, 03:36 PM
dlee6204   Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it ...   Aug 20 2013, 07:12 PM
Jeffs9146   Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it...   Aug 20 2013, 07:22 PM
lsintampa   Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed it...   Aug 20 2013, 09:08 PM
Bartlett 914   Could the starter have gotten stuck and jammed i...   Aug 20 2013, 09:49 PM
ThePaintedMan   That's another good suggestion. If we don...   Aug 20 2013, 07:42 PM
r_towle   Was the flywheel reground? Resurfaced? Put in wit...   Aug 20 2013, 08:57 PM
lsintampa   FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is ridin...   Aug 21 2013, 08:56 AM
ThePaintedMan   FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is ridi...   Aug 21 2013, 09:07 AM
Bartlett 914   FOUND IT. The clutch fork (release fork) is rid...   Aug 21 2013, 09:36 AM
lsintampa   [quote name='ThePaintedMan' post='1912768' date='...   Aug 21 2013, 10:05 AM
ThePaintedMan   Found this. So is one a shim and one a washer? ...   Aug 21 2013, 10:09 AM
lsintampa   Found this. So is one a shim and one a washer? ...   Aug 21 2013, 10:25 AM
lsintampa   One more thing that I thought was ODD. When I did...   Aug 21 2013, 09:07 AM
Spoke   One more thing that I thought was ODD. When I di...   Aug 21 2013, 03:45 PM
lsintampa   Where would I find shims? I took the fork off and...   Aug 21 2013, 09:51 AM
lsintampa   Heard from the PO This is the flywheel that was u...   Aug 21 2013, 09:54 AM
lsintampa   I took out the thicker of the two "shims...   Aug 21 2013, 02:18 PM
ThePaintedMan   I took out the thicker of the two "shims...   Aug 21 2013, 03:55 PM
carguy914   Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, th...   Aug 21 2013, 04:44 PM
ThePaintedMan   Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, t...   Aug 21 2013, 06:39 PM
lsintampa   Picture shows the clutch is properly installed, t...   Aug 21 2013, 06:43 PM
carguy914   Len. Sounds like your in good hands!! Be...   Aug 21 2013, 08:54 PM
ThePaintedMan   Roger, I did some more reading and found out a lit...   Aug 21 2013, 09:28 PM
lsintampa   Roger, I did some more reading and found out a li...   Aug 22 2013, 06:27 AM
Bartlett 914   Question: in a normal setup does the TO bearing...   Aug 22 2013, 07:51 AM
lsintampa   Question: in a normal setup does the TO bearin...   Aug 22 2013, 08:15 AM
rhodyguy   the flywheel bolts were ground down to ensure they...   Aug 22 2013, 08:25 AM
ThePaintedMan   :agree: When the engine/trans combo is bolted to...   Aug 22 2013, 08:43 AM
Bartlett 914   :agree: When the engine/trans combo is bolted t...   Aug 22 2013, 08:57 AM
ThePaintedMan   What I stated is to put the correct amount of sp...   Aug 22 2013, 09:23 AM
Bartlett 914   What I stated is to put the correct amount of s...   Aug 22 2013, 09:37 AM
rhodyguy   also note there is a dimension, 10mm, you want to ...   Aug 22 2013, 09:09 AM
ThePaintedMan   Glad we're on the same page. :beer2: I doubt ...   Aug 22 2013, 09:43 AM
lsintampa   Glad we're on the same page. :beer2: I doubt...   Aug 22 2013, 09:57 AM
stugray   The wrong throwout bearing could also cause a prob...   Aug 22 2013, 10:25 AM
lsintampa   The wrong throwout bearing could also cause a pro...   Aug 22 2013, 10:43 AM
ThePaintedMan   Great point Stu, didn't think of that. I looke...   Aug 22 2013, 11:27 AM
Bartlett 914   I just removed a pivot ball from an original trann...   Aug 22 2013, 11:35 AM
lsintampa   I just removed a pivot ball from an original tran...   Aug 22 2013, 12:03 PM
lsintampa   I just removed a pivot ball from an original tran...   Aug 22 2013, 12:11 PM
John Jentz   Check the distance from the flywheel friction face...   Aug 22 2013, 12:05 PM
lsintampa   Check the distance from the flywheel friction fac...   Aug 22 2013, 12:21 PM
lsintampa   IDK, My opinion (for what that's worth) is t...   Aug 22 2013, 12:38 PM
rhodyguy   this setup worked fine when pulled. 1 1/2" fr...   Aug 22 2013, 01:07 PM
lsintampa   this setup worked fine when pulled. 1 1/2" f...   Aug 22 2013, 01:40 PM
lsintampa   Can anyone tell me how fat / tall the pressure pla...   Aug 22 2013, 01:52 PM
lsintampa   Here's that fork I was talking about. This po...   Aug 22 2013, 02:13 PM
ThePaintedMan   Len, no indent on any of my clutch forks. Is you...   Aug 22 2013, 02:35 PM
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