2005 Venue Part II, shit! Options

[Howard]

Ron, love you, and think your poll on the tech forum sucks. Asking "How far would you drive to have exclusive 914 club track use for one day?" would probably get a far different response. I know you and toast want to do an AX and and have it closer to your homes, so find it and we will come.

But it does show where the power comes from in the club. The bay area guys ARE the club, and will dictate what we can or can't do anyway; venue, sponsors, even using the 914world.com name. I was going to post this as a response on the main forum, but will keep it here. None of the Bay area 'leaders' have contributed to the planning, or even visited the forum as far as I know.

I will not use my credit card for deposits to secure the track or accomodations and will not proceed until we all agree AND get admin's approval on how, when, and where to hold this event.

Even if all this happens, I will not sign the application for track or AX rental. The unlimited liability exposure is too scary. And personally, I would rather not have track or AX at all, just a fun few days. I get in plenty of track time, and after running on the track AX is a lot less satisfying.

Here's the unposted post:

Where are we going here? Brad and Dave, please visit the 2005 planning forum.

1] I can't easily put on an AX because of insurance issues
2] Track vs AX. I don't remember anyone breaking their car at Laguna Seca, a much faster track than Streets of Willow.
3] Willow would not be a timed event, just a bit of sporty driving without CHP or oncoming (hopefully) cars.
4] As Slits says, 3 groups of novice/touring, amateur, and racer boys have the track to themselves.
5] Delete word 'Compete'. This is for fun.
6] IMHO you can do far more damage to your car in timed AX than untimed open track driving.
7] In my not so humble opinion, AX is like throwing a temper tantrum in a closet. Open track is like dancing in the moonlight.

[Howard]

Thanks for all the advice, admin. I believe we are on the same wave length, but Brad, since you 'own' 914world.com, may we use that name as the "host" of this event?
Do I have permission to have the applicants make checks payable to me or my designee?

Mark, the polls were just to hear what the folks wanted. We know now. If we build it, they will come, but want to make sure 'the club' agrees with our plan.
Andy, thanks for checking in. We don't need to contact the same sponsors, so we will not approach any of the 2004 sponsors.
Andy, I closed the other polls so all posts would go here at this time. Slits poll invited all the ax vs track discussions we had done before and he pulled it. Same stoopid questions as before.

Hopefully, everyone will check in in the next few days, but if no further suggestions, will proceed with plan A as follows:

I can't find anyplace other than Willow that has the whole package including insurance. If you or anyone knows, please tell me now, but if not, you're right, we should book ASAP.

I'm not sold on that hotel. If anyone else has another selection within 100 mile of Willow, let me know that, too. In the polls, more rural areas close to curvy roads were favored. Your maps (and CD) are great idea.

We need more ideas for what we do with people that have track only cars during the 'resort' time, and finalize the Palmcaster thing. If no other suggestions will go with slits' agenda as shown..

Quote Slits:
Since the track is only really available to us on a Friday or Monday, pick the day. Friday is probably not logical as I doubt anyone coming from a distance is going to go directly to the track and start slogging, unless they stay in Palmcaster Thursday night.

Monday would be the most logical. This would allow for Saturday and Sunday for the social events - tours, parties, etc.


WCC2005 could start Saturday morning with brkfst, then a rally/twisty road for the day, ending in a beach or lawn party.

Sunday, we could all go to the Church of Stuttgart and stand around admiring 30 year old technology. A lax day to cure any hangovers and later do the other things that are local. Possibility of a low key catered dinner for a social event or night rally so everyone can get lost and tech session for those going to Willow.

The track day can start at 10 AM and end at 3 pm. You have indicated that 20 cars at a time can be on the track. It would seem that 5 hours is enough to bust your car. That would make the day 9 hours long, including the roundtrip trek from Oxnard to Rosamond or like you said Howard, just turn everyone loose from the track. Those that don't want to play could go home on Sunday or drop by the track on Monday on their way home.