 MS guru's! What MS for a /6 turbo?, researching and deciding on a system, bit OT, it's for a 930 |
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| Mark Henry |
 Nov 27 2013, 10:34 PM
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that's what I do!  Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada  |
Researching a FI system for a buddies late model 930, not much more than a low mile stock 3.4 engine with cams and a bit beefier snail.
I have another bud with a totally gonzo 930 with SDS, that car is a rocket (450+hp, extreme heads, paulter rods...etc.) and the SDS runs flawless on it, so SDS is in the running......But this guy has a clewette/electomotive crankfire (missing tooth) dual plug coilpack system already, so MS is a definite candidate as well. So what would be the best system that uses (ties into) the existing ignition? I can solder or would a finished system (like MS3 pro) be better? I know many of you have gone this route so I'm hoping to pick some brains. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| DBCooper |
Dec 1 2013, 09:05 AM
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14's in the 13's with ATTITUDE Group: Members Posts: 3,079 Joined: 25-August 04 From: Dazed and Confused Member No.: 2,618 Region Association: Northern California |
Really? What an odd comment, Rob. Those coils have been around for decades and proven to be bulletproof, so what does it matter who makes them? But regardless, you're aware Ford doesn't make their own coils any more than Porsche makes theirs, right? And if you don't want to use parts that might be found on a Ford product there's a broader problem, since Bosch is one of Ford's (Motorcraft's) suppliers. Or maybe I misunderstood your point?
No matter. COP is excellent technology and more appropriate for a 930 project, it's just not that common in MS projects. My interest was piqued that it was "easier," since that's the reason most people choose the EDIS. Mark answered the question, he wants to stay German so hasn't looked at EDIS. Done. |
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| ConeDodger |
Dec 1 2013, 02:23 PM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 24,396 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California 
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QUOTE(DBCooper @ Dec 1 2013, 07:05 AM)  Really? What an odd comment, Rob. Those coils have been around for decades and proven to be bulletproof, so what does it matter who makes them? But regardless, you're aware Ford doesn't make their own coils any more than Porsche makes theirs, right? And if you don't want to use parts that might be found on a Ford product there's a broader problem, since Bosch is one of Ford's (Motorcraft's) suppliers. Or maybe I misunderstood your point? No matter. COP is excellent technology and more appropriate for a 930 project, it's just not that common in MS projects. My interest was piqued that it was "easier," since that's the reason most people choose the EDIS. Mark answered the question, he wants to stay German so hasn't looked at EDIS. Done. Bulletproof?? Really? The first time I saw an EDIS retrofit was on a friends 240Z. Brand new components driven by Megajolt. Cost him close to $1000. Failed. I towed him back to the Bay Area from Reno after an event here. Sadly, he had removed his distributor which he had left in, in case of failure. Turned out to be the EDIS unit. Give me Bosch over Ford stuff anytime... Mark will remember Leon. Came for the carb clinic... |
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| jd74914 |
Dec 1 2013, 02:48 PM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,875 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Dec 1 2013, 03:23 PM) Bulletproof?? Really? The first time I saw an EDIS retrofit was on a friends 240Z. Brand new components driven by Megajolt. Cost him close to $1000. Failed. I towed him back to the Bay Area from Reno after an event here. Sadly, he had removed his distributor which he had left in, in case of failure. Turned out to be the EDIS unit. Give me Bosch over Ford stuff anytime... Parts fail all the time; people also pay too much for them...both Bosch and Ford parts have been moving cars for decades. I've never used EDIS parts, but have had two Bosch ignitors fail on me. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) One was my fault (excessive dwell, oops) and others just "gave up the ghost." That said, I totally agree with Mark on EDIS. I think the system is more difficult to configure since it requires maintaining the original crank trigger wheel setup, giving little flexibility to the end user. Since pretty much every aftermarket ECU sold in the last 10 years either has transistors suitable for directly driving coils, or logic drivers which can drive an ignitor or smart coil, while reading most any crank/cam trigger wheel geometry, there really is little reason to use the EDIS modules. Unrelated, but I personally like using either an ignitor or smart coil (built-in ignitor) even if the board supports dumb coils because it moves the high current drivers away from the main electronics. Bosch, Delphi, and others all make smart coils which can interface with MS directly. My new MS3-brained motor will be using smart Mercury Marine coils. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Mark Henry MS guru's! What MS for a /6 turbo? Nov 27 2013, 10:34 PM
McMark I got MSIII. Nov 27 2013, 10:48 PM RonW ms3 or microsquirt Nov 27 2013, 11:04 PM McMark MicroSquirt won't handle ignition on a six if ... Nov 27 2013, 11:25 PM
Mark Henry
MicroSquirt won't handle ignition on a six if... Nov 27 2013, 11:39 PM iamchappy Im old school running a 86 Ruf CIS euro 930 fuel h... Nov 27 2013, 11:25 PM Mark Henry
Im old school running a 86 Ruf CIS euro 930 fuel ... Nov 27 2013, 11:36 PM Mark Henry So what I'm reading is the build time on an EC... Nov 28 2013, 06:44 AM rick 918-S
So what I'm reading is the build time on an E... Nov 28 2013, 08:25 AM Mark Henry
Same deal for me. I've been to the MS web s... Nov 28 2013, 08:40 AM rick 918-S
Same deal for me. I've been to the MS web ... Nov 28 2013, 08:47 AM Mark Henry
[quote name='Mark Henry' post='1963545' date='Nov... Nov 28 2013, 09:02 AM rick 918-S
[quote name='Mark Henry' post='1963545' date='No... Nov 28 2013, 09:18 AM jimkelly I believe you can get is assembled as well
http:/... Nov 28 2013, 10:05 AM rick 918-S
I believe you can get is assembled as well
http:... Nov 28 2013, 10:54 AM DBCooper The SDS is "simple," which is good, but ... Nov 28 2013, 11:37 AM Mark Henry
Ya, I was surfing the microsquirt site and there... Nov 28 2013, 11:45 AM jeff This system is really nice, if money is no object ... Nov 28 2013, 11:05 AM Mark Henry
This system is really nice, if money is no object... Nov 28 2013, 11:26 AM rfuerst911sc If anyone is interested I have an Autronics unit I... Nov 28 2013, 12:28 PM McMark The MegaSquirt main board has been through a few r... Nov 28 2013, 01:13 PM Mark Henry
The MegaSquirt main board has been through a few ... Nov 28 2013, 01:31 PM McMark You got it.
The CIS pump is higher pressure usual... Nov 28 2013, 02:42 PM rick 918-S So like $ 500.00 and you still need to buy th... Nov 28 2013, 03:32 PM Mark Henry
So like $ 500.00 and you still need to buy t... Nov 28 2013, 03:47 PM rick 918-S
So like $ 500.00 and you still need to buy ... Nov 28 2013, 03:53 PM Mark Henry
[quote name='Mark Henry' post='1963709' date='Nov... Nov 28 2013, 04:39 PM McMark :agree: this is why my complete setup is $300... Nov 28 2013, 05:43 PM Mark Henry
:agree: this is why my complete setup is $30... Nov 28 2013, 05:54 PM ConeDodger
:agree: this is why my complete setup is $30... Nov 28 2013, 08:31 PM Mark Henry Mark, just a side thought on a totally different e... Nov 28 2013, 08:26 PM McMark
Mark, just a side thought on a totally different ... Nov 29 2013, 01:14 PM Mark Henry
[quote name='Mark Henry' post='1963802' date='Nov... Nov 29 2013, 03:01 PM r_towle
Mark, just a side thought on a totally different... Nov 29 2013, 04:06 PM edwin I've been through this a few times now.
My fir... Nov 29 2013, 06:03 AM Mark Henry
I've been through this a few times now.
My fi... Nov 29 2013, 07:42 AM sixnotfour I was going to run micro squirt, fuel only, but I ... Nov 29 2013, 02:14 PM McMark Distributors have maintenance and timing settings,... Nov 29 2013, 04:39 PM mikesmith
No distributor means it's all up to the ECU a... Nov 29 2013, 09:23 PM McMark
No distributor means it's all up to the ECU ... Nov 29 2013, 09:35 PM DBCooper yeah, but I can do COP way easier. So why would I ... Nov 30 2013, 03:09 PM Mark Henry I got that dizzy dirt cheap for helping a bud with... Nov 29 2013, 05:05 PM Mark Henry Well I'll wait on my /6 till the verdict is in... Nov 30 2013, 07:31 AM rick 918-S I just came from Ross's house another local 91... Nov 30 2013, 02:51 PM McMark Why would I add EDIS, when MicroSquirt can control... Nov 30 2013, 07:03 PM DBCooper You don't need to use the EDIS module, that ge... Nov 30 2013, 08:01 PM mikesmith Mark is (probably) talking about CNP using the GM ... Nov 30 2013, 08:14 PM DBCooper Makes sense. I was curious because everyone aroun... Nov 30 2013, 08:27 PM McMark Bosch makes a really easy ignitor as well for coil... Nov 30 2013, 10:50 PM ConeDodger
Bosch makes a really easy ignitor as well for coi... Nov 30 2013, 10:56 PM McMark I looked at EDIS over the weekend. I still don... Dec 1 2013, 02:19 PM |
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