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moggy
post Jun 22 2013, 02:38 AM
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It's time I moved out of the dark ages and got myself a dry sump system on the rallycar. What's everyone using? Any pictures of installations? especially with the stock cooling. My concern is that I'll have to do some major surgery on the fan shroud (4 cylinder engine) as any dry sump pump will sit so far proud that I'll have to cut a hole in the fan shroud. Really interested to see what everyone has done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jun 24 2013, 09:43 AM
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It was over $400.00. He is in Germany. You do need to modify the engine mount. Are you on Facebook? I can contact him there.
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post Dec 8 2013, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(bam914 @ Jun 24 2013, 07:43 AM) *

It was over $400.00. He is in Germany. You do need to modify the engine mount. Are you on Facebook? I can contact him there.


Hi Blake

Finally got to the stage of fitting this now. Tank is in, pump is in. Now to the stage of making modded engine mounts. Got any photos of what you did here before I start going down a certain route.

Cheers

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post Dec 9 2013, 09:44 PM
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QUOTE(moggy @ Dec 8 2013, 01:59 PM) *

QUOTE(bam914 @ Jun 24 2013, 07:43 AM) *

It was over $400.00. He is in Germany. You do need to modify the engine mount. Are you on Facebook? I can contact him there.


Hi Blake

Finally got to the stage of fitting this now. Tank is in, pump is in. Now to the stage of making modded engine mounts. Got any photos of what you did here before I start going down a certain route.

Cheers

Moggy


Never got to that point. Sorry
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post Dec 11 2013, 05:39 AM
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QUOTE(bam914 @ Dec 9 2013, 07:44 PM) *

Never got to that point. Sorry


No worries (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

So, last night I made a start on making some custom mounts to work around the pump.

This is what we're up against.... I've used some pipe tails that I had lying around to give me an idea of what I need to work around, as you can see below the in/out is exactly where the standard engine mounts would normally sit.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761987.1.jpg)

I laid the engine bar and mounts in front so you can see exactly the issues

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761987.2.jpg)

So first thing to do is cut off the mounts from the back plate, so I can mount them below the in/out of the pump. Firstly I had to measure how far the hole is from the backplate to ensure that when it's all welded back on it's the same distance from the engine. Works out a touch over an inch...

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761988.3.jpg)

and a touch of centre from the top mount hole

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761988.4.jpg)

Next job is to cut the mounts off the back plate so the back plates look like the below. I tried to do it so that the cutting disk was as close to the backing plate as possible and I didn't eat into the mount too much, reason is because I want to re-use the mount when I weld it on later. Eating too much out of it with the cutting disk when cutting it off the backplate will mean it will sit too far back when welding it back on.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761988.5.jpg)

So now the back plates sit comfortably behind the pump. I've also placed the engine bar in the position it needs to sit in relation to the engine when in the car

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761988.6.jpg)

Next step tonight is to start with tacking the mounts in the new lower location.

Here's some pictures I took while I was at it of the mod to the fan shroud and how much space there is behind it for the pipe tails.

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761988.7.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761988.8.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761988.9.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1386761989.10.jpg)

Sorry for poor quality shots taken with my phone but photography is not a strong point (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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moggy   Dry sump systems   Jun 22 2013, 02:38 AM
tomeric914   I was going to go dry sump with the four, but swit...   Jun 22 2013, 12:15 PM
McMark   I bought a TypeI Auto-Stick oil pump with fits in ...   Jun 22 2013, 05:44 PM
Matt Romanowski   I would be concerned with the scavenge on that pum...   Jun 22 2013, 07:22 PM
moggy   Thanks for the feedback so far guys. I've done...   Jun 23 2013, 03:33 PM
bam914   Get a pump from Thorsten Pieper. It is a 2 stage ...   Jun 23 2013, 04:37 PM
moggy   Get a pump from Thorsten Pieper. It is a 2 stage...   Jun 23 2013, 11:59 PM
Racer Chris   I use the CB 2 rotor pumps. The front inlet and ou...   Jun 23 2013, 04:39 PM
Randal   I use the CB 2 rotor pumps. The front inlet and o...   Jun 23 2013, 08:25 PM
dlestep   Do you get additional HP by running a dry sump oi...   Jun 23 2013, 08:46 PM
bam914   It was over $400.00. He is in Germany. You ...   Jun 24 2013, 09:43 AM
moggy   It was over $400.00. He is in Germany. You...   Jun 25 2013, 01:06 AM
moggy   I'm going for the Thorsten Pieper pump (Thanks...   Jun 28 2013, 12:00 PM
moggy   It was over $400.00. He is in Germany. You...   Dec 8 2013, 02:59 PM
bam914   It was over $400.00. He is in Germany. Yo...   Dec 9 2013, 09:44 PM
moggy   Never got to that point. Sorry No worries :bee...   Dec 11 2013, 05:39 AM
r_towle   If you go to the 911 cooling shroud, everything fi...   Jun 24 2013, 03:40 PM
moggy   Quick question..... What do I do with the current...   Jun 28 2013, 12:42 PM
moggy   Quick question..... What do I do with the curren...   Jul 8 2013, 02:42 PM
yeahmag   My build shows most everything you need to know: ...   Jun 28 2013, 05:27 PM
stugray   Anyone have complete diagrams? I have read most o...   Jul 5 2013, 08:24 PM
yeahmag   RE: Dry sump systems   Jul 6 2013, 09:01 AM
stugray   That helps but it doesnt show the other half. That...   Jul 6 2013, 12:02 PM
john rogers   Some things to remember about dry sump systems. - ...   Jul 7 2013, 07:28 PM
moggy   Some things to remember about dry sump systems. -...   Jul 8 2013, 02:39 PM
Racer Chris   You will need to loop them together, not block the...   Jul 8 2013, 03:54 PM
moggy   You will need to loop them together, not block th...   Jul 9 2013, 03:17 PM
moggy   You will need to loop them together, not block th...   Jul 9 2013, 04:09 PM
Racer Chris   That looks like just the ticket.   Jul 9 2013, 06:28 PM
Borderline   It's been a while since I did my engine build,...   Dec 11 2013, 12:30 PM
yeahmag   I used a single peace of strong angle iron and onl...   Dec 11 2013, 12:48 PM
moggy   Aaron - I looked at that option but decided agains...   Dec 12 2013, 09:02 AM
pcar916   ... as well you'll have to calculate the prope...   Dec 12 2013, 09:31 AM


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