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| speeder |
Jan 5 2014, 04:11 PM
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Hi all, new to this community but a longtime Porsche and 914 enthusiast. Maybe I should have posed this question in the marketplace section but I figure that the same people are here, maybe even more of them.
I recently acquired a 1974 914 2.0, factory black with original fuel injection intact. It runs great and has had at least a partial rebuild with Mahle sport pistons, (slightly higher CR), plus a lot of other maintenance. It's set up for track/autocross with racing seats, Konis all around and adjustable sways. It presently has Khumo DOT slicks on factory Fuchs 914 alloys. It's a go-cart. It also has Pagid race pads, a little squeaky on the street. Also a Bursch muffler. My plan was to return it to 90-95% stock and restore it. It has almost zero rust, including the "hell hole" under battery and other traditional places. The dash is very clean and not cracked but original seats and console are not present. I have a pretty good source for those. The body is mostly straight but the rear trunk hinge needs repair, (common failure on these cars). The only troubling thing is that the right rear fender appears to be "off" a little, gap between it and trunk seems too large. The car has some additional bracing in rear part of pan, (track mod), and I suspect that removing it might cure the problem but not sure. These are all issues to be addressed during a restoration and I have good body sources. The car drives great and is a blast. Shifts well with a good transmission. I may sell it to pursue another Porsche opportunity, what am I sitting on here? In a perfect world, I would never sell it and restore it. They are rare in this configuration, (black/73-74 2.0). I know what perfect '73-'74 2 liters go for but this car is not that. It is a rust-free car to restore or drive as-is, however. Any educated responses are highly appreciated! Thanks, Denis |
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| brant |
Jan 6 2014, 06:53 PM
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Wow...
I wish I had three early chrome bumper corvettes in my possesion instead of 3 914's.... The same original price equals money in the bank! I agree a 2.0 is better than a 1.7 but I would take a solid chassis 1,7 that has never been rusted or wrecked over any rusty 73 I can always add sway bars, shifters, or even a 2.0 motor to a 1.7 much easier than fixing rust... the differences are minor in that they have the same body and same mechanicals yes there are some special editions, GT's and -6's that are more rare but of the 100K normal 914's built, there really is amazingly little difference over the years. Same thing with 911's... it all easily bolts in, up, backwards, etc.... as a buyer 1973-74 does nothing for me and condition does everything and I don't see the day in our life times where a 1973 normal 914 commands a premium over a 1972 just because of the year (versus equiptment and condition) I know a 1972 911S commands a premium over a 1977 911, but ..... its not going to happen. the 1972 911S is rare because it was an S model neither 72 or 73 914's were really S models. neither were limited, or had huge HP differences than the other isn't the 73 914 2.0 factory rated for 9 extra hp over a 1972 1.7? and what do you bet that the extra 100lbs of weight (including door braces) actually made it no faster. I like to use and drive cars and I still choose the one that is most tailored to my tastes and in the best condition... not year. and if I was purchasing for a museum collection, it would be even more true that I would take a 10,000 original mileage, pristine, perfect condition 1971 with a 1.7 over a worn out 1974 model for the granite display floor absolutely completely equal condition, miles, records and everything down to the dust settled on top... I'd take the 1973-74 over a 72 just to save myself the work of bolting things on/off. but thats not how it works and I don't see multiple thousands of value in one year over the other. |
| dlkawashima |
Jan 6 2014, 08:32 PM
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isn't the 73 914 2.0 factory rated for 9 extra hp over a 1972 1.7? and what do you bet that the extra 100lbs of weight (including door braces) actually made it no faster. I'd bet a lot that the opposite was true, actually. R&T test results from back in the day show that the 1.7 was over 3 seconds slower to 60 mph than the 2-liter. And note that R&T reported the 2-liter was running poorly during the tests, so perhaps the difference was even greater (though I doubt R&T could have matched the times laid down by C&D ..... R&T's times were always slower). Road & Track, April 1970 (914 1.7-liter): Road & Track, February 1973 (914 2-liter): Car & Driver, March 1973 (914 2-liter): ![]() |
speeder Price check on isle 5, 1974 914 2.0 Jan 5 2014, 04:11 PM
Mike Bellis :wttc:
:ttiwwp:
$5k-$10k in Californi... Jan 5 2014, 04:19 PM
SirAndy 1974 914 2.0, factory black
Do you have a COA? Mi... Jan 5 2014, 05:01 PM
billh1963 I assume you are asking about this car? <_... Jan 5 2014, 05:17 PM
speeder Yes, Bill. One and the same. As my post above stat... Jan 5 2014, 07:21 PM
budk
Yes, Bill. One and the same. As my post above sta... Jan 6 2014, 06:01 AM
speeder Also, I did not buy it with the intention of flipp... Jan 5 2014, 07:30 PM
lonewolfe
Also, I did not buy it with the intention of flip... Jan 5 2014, 08:51 PM
boxsterfan Pics of the longs, hell hole, floorboards, etc... ... Jan 5 2014, 08:56 PM
speeder OK, I don't have close-ups of the hell hole or... Jan 5 2014, 11:30 PM
speeder VIN is 4742914751. It does have those plastic rock... Jan 6 2014, 09:49 AM
Mike Bellis
VIN is 4742914751. It does have those plastic roc... Jan 6 2014, 09:58 AM
Jeff Bowlsby Its within the LE VIN range, it could be an early ... Jan 6 2014, 09:59 AM
speeder Thanks for the info, Jeff. I called Porsche and wi... Jan 6 2014, 11:28 AM
Jeff Bowlsby
Thanks for the info, Jeff. I called Porsche and w... Jan 6 2014, 11:48 AM
brant Is the spoiler aftermarket or of the original styl... Jan 6 2014, 11:32 AM
speeder Also, FWIW, I owned this Marathon Blue 2.0 car in ... Jan 6 2014, 11:33 AM
dlkawashima
Also, FWIW, I owned this Marathon Blue 2.0 car in... Jan 6 2014, 11:35 PM
brant The 73-74 years are not really magical. The early ... Jan 6 2014, 11:37 AM
speeder
Is the spoiler aftermarket or of the original sty... Jan 6 2014, 11:41 AM
speeder
The 73-74 years are not really magical. The early... Jan 6 2014, 11:46 AM
brant I do have plenty of experience and the differences... Jan 6 2014, 11:56 AM
dlkawashima
I do have plenty of experience and the difference... Jan 6 2014, 06:49 PM
brant The differences between a 1964 ford cobra and a 19... Jan 6 2014, 11:57 AM
zambezi AH... but it is not a 64 FORD cobra but a 64 AC co... Jan 6 2014, 02:48 PM
brant Ok...
I'll give you AC versus Ford...
but wha... Jan 6 2014, 03:37 PM
speeder I'm having a hard time finding an engine seria... Jan 6 2014, 06:06 PM
dlkawashima
I'm having a hard time finding an engine seri... Jan 6 2014, 06:31 PM
dlkawashima
I'm having a hard time finding an engine ser... Jan 7 2014, 04:36 PM
brant maybe its a 1.7? the number is in a different pla... Jan 6 2014, 06:42 PM
brant the high compression 1.7 was I believe 92hp
the 2.... Jan 6 2014, 08:39 PM
dlkawashima They still reported horsepower in SAE gross in 197... Jan 6 2014, 09:05 PM
brant I believe the comment was that there were "MA... Jan 6 2014, 09:20 PM
boxsterfan <begin running joke>
What if it is a 73-74 2... Jan 6 2014, 09:43 PM
Jeff Bowlsby "...and condition trumps year..."
:agre... Jan 6 2014, 11:42 PM
speeder
I believe the comment was that there were "M... Jan 7 2014, 02:00 AM
billh1963
1) WTF is talking about buying rusted-out, POS c... Jan 7 2014, 07:55 AM
rdauenhauer :agree:
You come here to a forum of enthusiasts ... Jan 7 2014, 09:29 AM
speeder
:agree:
You come here to a forum of enthusiasts... Jan 7 2014, 11:33 AM
speeder Thanks. It's not there, nor does it seem to be... Jan 7 2014, 04:42 PM
zambezi maybe its a bus block Jan 7 2014, 08:18 PM
Jeffs9146 It is closer to the back than the green spot! ... Jan 7 2014, 08:24 PM
speeder Was on the phone for a while today with a couple o... Jan 7 2014, 08:47 PM
somd914 I think you are putting too much emphasis on engin... Jan 7 2014, 09:19 PM
brant I agree. Thus my previous comments. The car does... Jan 7 2014, 09:46 PM
biosurfer1 This is the big problem with these cars. You state... Jan 8 2014, 09:10 AM
speeder You are correct. I did not see that surface rust o... Jan 8 2014, 10:09 AM
speeder
This is the big problem with these cars. You stat... Jan 8 2014, 10:40 AM
speeder
My plan was to return it to 90-95% stock and res... Jan 8 2014, 10:56 AM
brant the hell hole has been patched
that drops the valu... Jan 8 2014, 11:58 AM
billh1963 Yes...that hell hole has been patched. Google for ... Jan 8 2014, 12:47 PM
speeder Ok, will do. Hell of a job they did, fooled me com... Jan 8 2014, 12:53 PM
billh1963
Ok, will do. Hell of a job they did, fooled me co... Jan 8 2014, 02:13 PM
speeder I agree. Concours was never really in the cards fo... Jan 8 2014, 02:41 PM
biosurfer1
A question for you, biosurfer, (whomever you are... Jan 8 2014, 03:03 PM
KELTY360 Chances are, if the hell hole has been patched, th... Jan 8 2014, 03:08 PM
brant wow...
scummy...
my gut was screaming, and now... Jan 8 2014, 03:24 PM
somd914 His response to learning the hell hole had been pa... Jan 8 2014, 04:24 PM
carr914
Ok, will do. Hell of a job they did, fooled me co... Jan 8 2014, 07:11 PM
ChrisNPDrider this 914, as is, is worth $6,129.14 :beer2: ... Jan 8 2014, 07:44 PM
mepstein I personally have never seen photos of an original... Jan 8 2014, 09:03 PM
brant Sad really Jan 8 2014, 09:23 PM
speeder Sad?? Why? Because I made a mistake in describing ... Jan 8 2014, 11:08 PM
dlkawashima
I just want to know what my car might be worth in... Jan 9 2014, 12:31 AM
speeder BTW, the BMW that I forgot about the accident on w... Jan 8 2014, 11:12 PM
speeder
Ok, will do. Hell of a job they did, fooled me c... Jan 8 2014, 11:42 PM
speeder
I just want to know what my car might be worth i... Jan 9 2014, 12:52 AM
dlkawashima Yeah, no problem, but the obvious elephant in the ... Jan 9 2014, 01:53 AM
somd914 I hate to see threads where the wolves pounce at e... Jan 9 2014, 05:09 AM
speeder OK, I'll take a lot more pictures of the probl... Jan 9 2014, 09:50 AM
billh1963
As early 911 prices climb through the stratospher... Jan 9 2014, 07:07 PM
speeder Could happen. I'd love to see it, since I can... Jan 9 2014, 07:34 PM
carr914
As early 911 prices climb through the stratosphe... Jan 9 2014, 07:40 PM
speeder OK, I took off rockers and shot some photos with m... Jan 9 2014, 08:48 PM
speeder Sorry but I'm going to have to do this one pho... Jan 9 2014, 08:51 PM
speeder The rest of the longitudinal area looks excellent ... Jan 9 2014, 08:54 PM
speeder One more:
The floors and pan look excellent wit... Jan 9 2014, 08:59 PM
speeder The area between the jack points and the rear susp... Jan 9 2014, 09:01 PM
billh1963 Jack point is welded on. Stick a screw driver in t... Jan 9 2014, 09:16 PM
speeder RE: Price check on isle 5, 1974 914 2.0 Jan 10 2014, 03:28 AM
speeder RE: Price check on isle 5, 1974 914 2.0 Jan 10 2014, 03:31 AM
speeder Question: Are these SSI heat exchangers or just st... Jan 10 2014, 03:33 AM
speeder Took some pictures of the engine before cleaning t... Jan 10 2014, 03:36 AM
speeder RE: Price check on isle 5, 1974 914 2.0 Jan 10 2014, 03:39 AM
speeder RE: Price check on isle 5, 1974 914 2.0 Jan 10 2014, 03:42 AM
speeder RE: Price check on isle 5, 1974 914 2.0 Jan 10 2014, 03:44 AM
dlkawashima Denis, regarding resizing your iPhone images, ther... Jan 10 2014, 04:33 AM
somd914 Look like stainless heat exchangers.
Also, chec... Jan 10 2014, 04:53 AM
dlkawashima One thing you might do while you're waiting to... Jan 10 2014, 05:10 AM
speeder
Look like stainless heat exchangers.
Also, che... Jan 10 2014, 11:56 AM
speeder Just got off phone with PCNA. The factory installe... Jan 10 2014, 12:56 PM
brant
And FWIW, I was a little surprised by some of th... Jan 10 2014, 01:22 PM
KELTY360
Just got off phone with PCNA. The factory install... Jan 10 2014, 01:26 PM
carr914 My only Comment was a Tongue in Cheek Joke. I thin... Jan 10 2014, 01:26 PM
biosurfer1 I think you've showed your true colors here De... Jan 10 2014, 01:30 PM
gandalf_025 Am I the only one that wanted this to go away
4 pa... Jan 10 2014, 02:04 PM
KELTY360
Am I the only one that wanted this to go away
4 p... Jan 10 2014, 02:28 PM
speeder
I think you've showed your true colors here D... Jan 10 2014, 03:05 PM![]() ![]() |
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