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| CptTripps |
Jan 25 2014, 01:27 PM
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I had an idea a few weeks ago to re-fit the front light bucket with a more substantial light pack. LED...bright...yada yada.
Found a set of "cat eye" amber LEDs on eBay and the sizing was close enough, I figured I'd give it a try. They showed up yesterday and immediately I could tell that these would likely work REAL well. But how was I going to mount them? Attached thumbnail(s) |
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| bulitt |
Jan 26 2014, 07:38 AM
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So, possibly a resistor will be needed in the circuit.
Found this write up on the club site. There are three parts of the flasher. The primary relay (I'll call it) switches on and off and provides an on/off voltage to ANYTHING connected to it. This is controlled by the second part, a solid state timing circuit. When a load is detected, the timing circuit starts pumping out a little square wave to the coil of the primary relay, causing it to turn on and off.... By doing it this way, the frequency of the on-and-off is independent of the load, because the load on the timing circuit (ie, the relay coil) is always the same. Now it gets interesting. Notice that the output of the primary relay actually passes in series THROUGH the coil of the secondary relay. This coil is a special kind of coil that is normally used in magnetic circuit breakers rather than relays. It is a CURRENT COIL, and the secondary relay will close only when enough CURRENT is passing through it. Relays generally have voltage coils that close when the correct minimum voltage is applied. The current coil is designed to minimize voltage drop, so it is only a few turns of relatively heavy gauge wire. After it has passed through the coil of the secondary relay, it exits the flasher to be used for anything in the car that needs to flash- directional signals, hazard warning, emergency brake light, or (at least in my car) the fasten seatbelt light. The secondary relay will create a second flashing output, but only if enough current is passing through the primary flashing relay. The threshold current that trips the secondary coil will cause a secondary flashing output when the turn signals or the hazard flashers are engaged, but not when the emergency brake light or the fasten seatbelt light is engaged. They still flash because they are attached to the primary relay, which is oblivious to load, but their load isn't enough to cause the secondary output to flash. Why bother? Well, the law required a cockpit-visible indication of a burned out direction signal bulb. So if you turn on your left signal and the front bulb, say, is burned out, the rear signal will still flash, but there will be no secondary flashing output. And, you guessed it, the secondary flashing output goes to the indicator light on the dash. You can actually hear it if you sit in your car with the engine off, but turn the ignition on. Pull up on the emergency brake and listen, and then turn on one of the direction signals. The click gets audibly louder because both relays are clicking instead of just the one. I drew the '73.5-'76 circuit first, because it's easier to figure out. This secondary flashing output goes directly to the only turn signal indicator in the tach (via the blue/white wire). The other side of that indicator is grounded..... So, the driver-visible indication of a burned out bulb is- when the turn signal indicator works fine for one direction, but remains dark when you switch to signal for the other direction.... There is a bulb burned out on the latter side. Or something else that can reduce the current flow below what is required to trip the secondary relay... Like corroded contacts, corroded socket, wrong type bulb (not bright enough), bulbs replaced with LEDs, whatever that reduced the current below the flashing threshold. |
CptTripps How To: CptTripps' Cat-Eye LED Light mod Jan 25 2014, 01:27 PM
CptTripps After some tinkering, I realized that I may have b... Jan 25 2014, 01:29 PM
CptTripps Took the housing and flipped it upside-down. It wa... Jan 25 2014, 01:32 PM
CptTripps After just a few min, I had it hot-glued into posi... Jan 25 2014, 01:35 PM
CptTripps Because the screw holes on the mount go all the wa... Jan 25 2014, 01:38 PM
CptTripps And here's what it looks like with power. You ... Jan 25 2014, 01:42 PM
CptTripps I'm going to break it all down now because I s... Jan 25 2014, 01:44 PM
kid914 VERY NIIIIICE! for 25$ you can't beat... Jan 25 2014, 01:52 PM
Harpo Love it. Off to ebay to find some "cat eye... Jan 25 2014, 02:20 PM
r_towle Bummer, I thought you were going to use the horizo... Jan 25 2014, 02:34 PM
Chris H. AWESOME. Looks great. Jan 25 2014, 02:48 PM
bulitt Thought I read somewhere the whole turn signal bli... Jan 25 2014, 03:11 PM
SirAndy Thought I read somewhere the whole turn signal bli... Jan 25 2014, 10:58 PM

mrbubblehead
Thought I read somewhere the whole turn signal bl... Jan 26 2014, 12:33 AM
TargaToy
Thought I read somewhere the whole turn signal bl... Jan 26 2014, 08:01 AM
dangrouche here's the clear lens version; but its $3... Jan 25 2014, 03:24 PM
76-914 :thumbsup: I like it! Jan 25 2014, 03:48 PM
Chris H. On the way to classic thread after ~3 hours....
Q... Jan 25 2014, 04:10 PM
CptTripps I've still got my amber lenses. I'll throw... Jan 25 2014, 07:52 PM
Spoke Looks pretty cool.
Doug, could you take a pic of ... Jan 25 2014, 09:56 PM
CptTripps It's not a matter of seeing the board...it... Jan 25 2014, 10:09 PM
effutuo101 :wub:
Nice work Doug! Jan 25 2014, 10:16 PM
Spoke I've noticed that the blinker in my 71 blinks ... Jan 26 2014, 12:06 AM
bulitt :agree:
Didn't want the Cpt ditching his eff... Jan 26 2014, 08:12 AM
CptTripps I was thinking about setting up a flasher relay an... Jan 26 2014, 09:46 AM
Spoke
I was thinking about setting up a flasher relay a... Jan 26 2014, 10:53 AM
Scarlet75
I was thinking about setting up a flasher relay a... Jan 27 2014, 12:11 PM
mrbubblehead
I was thinking about setting up a flasher relay ... Jan 27 2014, 06:34 PM
bulitt Guess the board electricians will weigh in. Think... Jan 26 2014, 11:03 AM
mikesmith You just replace the flasher with one designed for... Jan 26 2014, 11:41 AM
CptTripps I ordered a couple different "LED friendly... Jan 26 2014, 02:28 PM
Mike Bellis Some of the 914 relays will work with LED's an... Jan 26 2014, 03:39 PM
914forme Doug is also using a completely different harness ... Jan 26 2014, 04:06 PM
3d914 Doug, nice job - I like it!
You gonna provide... Jan 26 2014, 04:26 PM
CptTripps Stephen is correct. I have a completely custom wir... Jan 26 2014, 04:27 PM
AfricanHijinx very nice Jan 27 2014, 11:19 AM
effutuo101 Some of the LED pre fab lights have built in resis... Jan 27 2014, 11:28 PM
mikesmith
Some of the LED pre fab lights have built in resi... Jan 28 2014, 11:25 AM
CptTripps Added 2 white spots behind the light tonight to se... Jan 30 2014, 06:20 PM
ChrisNPDrider :beer2: Jan 30 2014, 08:11 PM
zambezi Looks cool, any pics with just the DRL's on an... Jan 30 2014, 10:51 PM
Chris H. Hey Doug, did you ever get a chance to throw the a... Jan 31 2014, 08:19 AM
CptTripps Funny. I just found it about an hour ago and remem... Jan 31 2014, 09:24 AM
CptTripps Turns out that my amber lens is a Euro lens, so he... Feb 1 2014, 01:14 PM
Chris H. Thanks! Probably better since it has both whi... Feb 1 2014, 04:28 PM
Harpo Any thoughts on how you are going to power these?
... Feb 2 2014, 06:54 AM
CptTripps
Any thoughts on how you are going to power these?... Feb 7 2014, 10:54 AM
Kansas 914 Following this thread and ordered the same LED lam... Feb 24 2014, 11:54 AM
CptTripps :trophy: Feb 24 2014, 12:12 PM
effutuo101 sweet! Feb 24 2014, 12:52 PM
Kansas 914
sweet!
Doug led the way on this project.
He... Feb 24 2014, 01:00 PM
Harpo Did you have to change relays? There was a concer... Feb 24 2014, 04:52 PM
Kansas 914
Did you have to change relays? There was a conce... Feb 24 2014, 04:55 PM
mrbubblehead
Did you have to change relays? There was a conc... Feb 24 2014, 05:24 PM
CptTripps Did you paint the inside of the buckets before you... Feb 26 2014, 09:11 AM
Kansas 914
Did you paint the inside of the buckets before yo... Feb 26 2014, 09:17 AM
pjhaun I also did the Cat-Eye LED front running/turn sign... Mar 13 2014, 04:44 PM
pjhaun
I also did the Cat-Eye LED front running/turn sig... Mar 13 2014, 04:46 PM
pjhaun
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