black paint, engine compartment/valances/rockers Options

[porbmw]

I know that, by and large, this has been discussed, here and there....but with some apparent gaps.

I'm going to see if I can summarize what I have garnered, mainly with direction from Steve Gaglione, who owns one of most pristine and unmolested 914s in existence.

My quest started with the engine compartment. I have done a complete bare metal paint on a previously painted car.

The color is done..and is getting wet sanded...but that leaves me to do all of the black....and that led to my contacting Steve.

Issue #1 The 2 uprights in the engine compartment... the ones that house the rubber bumpers on top, upon which the engine lid rests. The uprights are painted body color....until one gets to the top, where they are black.
Question...the top part of the bracket...is it a soft or a hard line, where it meets the upright part of the brace.
Answer...it is a soft line, about 1/16inch down from the flat top. Steve thinks they likely were hand painted, the line is not perfectly straight..he suggests spraying some flat black into a container, then with a 1/4 to 3/8 artist's brush painting it by hand
Question...color...as noted...flat.

Issue #2 Sheen of the engine lid that is below the mesh...Steve believes that it is the same as the uprights...flat.

Issue #3...Sheen of the mesh on the sides and the engine lid. Steve believes it has more of a gloss, perhaps Wurth Satin. I found this particularly interesting...in that it means there are 2 sheens of black paint in that area.

That lead me to the next query.

Issue #4....the front and rear valances and rocker panels. I will comment that I recently bought an almost pristine snowplow that appears to be unmolsted, barely used, with factory paint...it has a satin appearance, very little sheen. Steve's car has all factory original paint...he used a Meguiars' Swirl Remover and some Cleaner Wax on them way back in 2003, says they looked great....and not as much sheen as was put onto a 6 (powder coat) semi-gloss of about 65-70%. He concurs that they are closer to a satin than a semi gloss

Issue #5....texture. The snowplow I bought...and from my very vague 40 year old recollection, the 74 that I bought new and sold within the year....have essentially no texture....smooth.... Steve concurs..."a smooth texture but with some orange peel"

So..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)

[Pat Garvey]

I know that, by and large, this has been discussed, here and there....but with some apparent gaps.

I'm going to see if I can summarize what I have garnered, mainly with direction from Steve Gaglione, who owns one of most pristine and unmolested 914s in existence.

My quest started with the engine compartment. I have done a complete bare metal paint on a previously painted car.

The color is done..and is getting wet sanded...but that leaves me to do all of the black....and that led to my contacting Steve.

Issue #1 The 2 uprights in the engine compartment... the ones that house the rubber bumpers on top, upon which the engine lid rests. The uprights are painted body color....until one gets to the top, where they are black.
Question...the top part of the bracket...is it a soft or a hard line, where it meets the upright part of the brace.
Answer...it is a soft line, about 1/16inch down from the flat top. Steve thinks they likely were hand painted, the line is not perfectly straight..he suggests spraying some flat black into a container, then with a 1/4 to 3/8 artist's brush painting it by hand
Question...color...as noted...flat.

Issue #2 Sheen of the engine lid that is below the mesh...Steve believes that it is the same as the uprights...flat.

Issue #3...Sheen of the mesh on the sides and the engine lid. Steve believes it has more of a gloss, perhaps Wurth Satin. I found this particularly interesting...in that it means there are 2 sheens of black paint in that area.

That lead me to the next query.

Issue #4....the front and rear valances and rocker panels. I will comment that I recently bought an almost pristine snowplow that appears to be unmolsted, barely used, with factory paint...it has a satin appearance, very little sheen. Steve's car has all factory original paint...he used a Meguiars' Swirl Remover and some Cleaner Wax on them way back in 2003, says they looked great....and not as much sheen as was put onto a 6 (powder coat) semi-gloss of about 65-70%. He concurs that they are closer to a satin than a semi gloss

Issue #5....texture. The snowplow I bought...and from my very vague 40 year old recollection, the 74 that I bought new and sold within the year....have essentially no texture....smooth.... Steve concurs..."a smooth texture but with some orange peel"

So..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)

Been a little ill lately, but this post caught my attention
I have some input here on the valances and rocker cover.
I've not seen where you reference the year of your 914, but I will assume that it is post '72. If that is the case, then you would NOT have a "snowplow" rear valance.

Now, by "snowplow", I mean the rear valance that allows the exhaust tip to g through the valance, not below it. The attached pic shows a properly restored snowplow.

The finish of the valances and rocker covers (from the factory) were all primed, Body Shutzed (3M) and painted satin black, thru the end of the '72 model year. There were some variations on very early cars.

Body Shutz is still available, in bulk and spray cans (not recommended). Properly applied to a primed panel using the cheaply available 3M gun you can recreate the original finish, followed by Wurth satin. The 3M gun works between 25-35 psi. 30 psi will give you the proper finish - do the panes off the car.

If you REALLY have an unmolested "snowplow" you are sitting a something very rare .

I hate to even think about disagreeing with Steve on your issues 2 and 3 but need some further explanation for each. Remember, as I stated earlier, if your car is post '72, there may be some anomalies.
Pat

[porbmw]

I know that, by and large, this has been discussed, here and there....but with some apparent gaps.

I'm going to see if I can summarize what I have garnered, mainly with direction from Steve Gaglione, who owns one of most pristine and unmolested 914s in existence.

My quest started with the engine compartment. I have done a complete bare metal paint on a previously painted car.

The color is done..and is getting wet sanded...but that leaves me to do all of the black....and that led to my contacting Steve.

Issue #1 The 2 uprights in the engine compartment... the ones that house the rubber bumpers on top, upon which the engine lid rests. The uprights are painted body color....until one gets to the top, where they are black.
Question...the top part of the bracket...is it a soft or a hard line, where it meets the upright part of the brace.
Answer...it is a soft line, about 1/16inch down from the flat top. Steve thinks they likely were hand painted, the line is not perfectly straight..he suggests spraying some flat black into a container, then with a 1/4 to 3/8 artist's brush painting it by hand
Question...color...as noted...flat.

Issue #2 Sheen of the engine lid that is below the mesh...Steve believes that it is the same as the uprights...flat.

Issue #3...Sheen of the mesh on the sides and the engine lid. Steve believes it has more of a gloss, perhaps Wurth Satin. I found this particularly interesting...in that it means there are 2 sheens of black paint in that area.

That lead me to the next query.

Issue #4....the front and rear valances and rocker panels. I will comment that I recently bought an almost pristine snowplow that appears to be unmolsted, barely used, with factory paint...it has a satin appearance, very little sheen. Steve's car has all factory original paint...he used a Meguiars' Swirl Remover and some Cleaner Wax on them way back in 2003, says they looked great....and not as much sheen as was put onto a 6 (powder coat) semi-gloss of about 65-70%. He concurs that they are closer to a satin than a semi gloss

Issue #5....texture. The snowplow I bought...and from my very vague 40 year old recollection, the 74 that I bought new and sold within the year....have essentially no texture....smooth.... Steve concurs..."a smooth texture but with some orange peel"

So..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)

Been a little ill lately, but this post caught my attention
I have some input here on the valances and rocker cover.
I've not seen where you reference the year of your 914, but I will assume that it is post '72. If that is the case, then you would NOT have a "snowplow" rear valance.

Now, by "snowplow", I mean the rear valance that allows the exhaust tip to g through the valance, not below it. The attached pic shows a properly restored snowplow.

The finish of the valances and rocker covers (from the factory) were all primed, Body Shutzed (3M) and painted satin black, thru the end of the '72 model year. There were some variations on very early cars.

Body Shutz is still available, in bulk and spray cans (not recommended). Properly applied to a primed panel using the cheaply available 3M gun you can recreate the original finish, followed by Wurth satin. The 3M gun works between 25-35 psi. 30 psi will give you the proper finish - do the panes off the car.

If you REALLY have an unmolested "snowplow" you are sitting a something very rare .

I hate to even think about disagreeing with Steve on your issues 2 and 3 but need some further explanation for each. Remember, as I stated earlier, if your car is post '72, there may be some anomalies.
Pat

Hi Pat

Thanks for your input.
Hope you're feeling better.

The snowplow I have is intended for my 70-6er...710. The car came without a rear valance...have had the car almost 10 years, in parts for the last 7 or so, finally coming together....and in the meantime found (on ebay no less) a very clean but not perfect valance.. It was sold by one of these guys that buy lockers, as per Storage Wars...he didn't know what he had.....Pretty sure it is for the 6, the porthole is closer to the end than your photo re the 4 cylinder. Someday when I get the time and grey matter to learn how to post a pic, I'll add it....it may be that the car will be finished, by then.

I'd like to agree wtih the Schutz treatment....but not persuaded.
Would you say that the rocker covers got the same treatment as the valances? I am leaning, more and more, to all 4 panels having the same finish, from the factory, with no "bump" other than orange peel etc.

I know you have had your car a very long time....do you have any parts of the queried areas that are not yet restored...ie...purely original, off the showroom and without any "improvements" /rustproofing or otherwise, from the dealer etc

Thanks again.