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lsintampa
post May 19 2014, 02:18 PM
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75 2.0 FI

So I just got my car finally on the road. It's been a long journey, and this is my first 914, so if my question sounds "dumb" - just give me a new 914 driver break.

All of the latest "old" cars I've owned (74 TR6, 74 BMW) all had brake boosters. The 914 has no "boost".

I find the braking power to be really somewhat below what I expected.

What was I expecting? Well, since I have no prior 914 driving experience I really don't know.

I'm curious if my "newbie" experience is just that I'm not familiar with the lack of braking power, or if perhaps I may have some issue with my brakes?

Rotors all new, pads in good condition, good pedal pressure, 19MM ATE MC from PMB.

Any "road tests" I can do to give me some sort of clue if all is well in brake land?

Thanks,

Len
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post May 20 2014, 07:09 AM
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Lupawali's "brake faq" mentions the 19mm master cylinder improving pedal feel but actually reducing braking power.

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What about the 19mm master cylinder upgrade?

This is pretty much a "feel" issue. The ratio of master cylinder piston area to total caliper piston area determines the mechanical advantage you get in applying pressure to the brake pads. The smaller the master cylinder piston (or the larger the caliper pistons), the more "advantage" you have (more force on the pads for less force on the pedal). However, while you apply less force, you have to push the pedal farther to get the same amount of movement at the pad. With a larger master cylinder piston (or smaller caliper pistons), you have LESS advantage, so you have to push the pedal harder, but you don't have to push it as far. The pedal feels firmer, but you're actually getting less braking. Some people like the feel this gives, so the upgrade isn't entirely a bad thing. However, many people make the upgrade because they think they're actually improving their brakes, when they're actually making them worse, just improving the feel.
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lsintampa   Braking Power   May 19 2014, 02:18 PM
ThePaintedMan   Have you bedded the pads yet Len? What exactly are...   May 19 2014, 02:24 PM
URY914   Is the pedal firm? Getting all the air out can be ...   May 19 2014, 02:26 PM
Elliot Cannon   :agree: Make sure they are bled completely. This...   May 19 2014, 02:29 PM
lsintampa   system was bled and bled again as far as "be...   May 19 2014, 03:10 PM
ThePaintedMan   system was bled and bled again as far as "b...   May 19 2014, 03:32 PM
Dave_Darling   system was bled and bled again Again and again d...   May 19 2014, 04:03 PM
McMark   If the pedal is soft, you need to bleed it more. ...   May 19 2014, 03:59 PM
yeahmag   If the pedal is firm, but low you need to adjust t...   May 19 2014, 05:48 PM
Eddie914   Len, What do you mean by stating? "I find ...   May 19 2014, 06:07 PM
thelogo   As far I know this is one of the best braking 40+ ...   May 19 2014, 06:21 PM
mepstein   Bedding the pads or new ones from Eric are probabl...   May 19 2014, 06:48 PM
brant   Did you reuse pads?   May 19 2014, 06:54 PM
jmill   or the proper 17mm master :stir: :evilgrin: O...   May 19 2014, 08:54 PM
nathansnathan   Lupawali's "brake faq" mentions the ...   May 20 2014, 07:09 AM
ThePaintedMan   I have a 19mm - love it. Its very possible the br...   May 20 2014, 07:35 AM
era vulgaris   All of the latest "old" cars I've o...   May 20 2014, 07:36 AM
lsintampa   sorry guys, I didn't realize how many of yo...   May 20 2014, 10:16 AM
worn   sorry guys, I didn't realize how many of y...   May 21 2014, 09:36 AM
McMark   Glad to know you are driving it. I went from a 91...   May 21 2014, 08:45 PM
ThePaintedMan   Then your 914 is not bled out properly. :P :a...   May 22 2014, 07:23 AM
worn   Glad to know you are driving it. I went from a 9...   May 22 2014, 08:30 AM
r_towle   Glad to know you are driving it. I went from a 9...   May 22 2014, 09:25 AM
McMark   Len, the real question that needs answering is, I...   May 20 2014, 10:27 AM
flash914   What about flex if the floorboard? That is what I ...   May 20 2014, 10:35 AM
lsintampa   Just went out for a drive. Pedal is soft. On smo...   May 20 2014, 11:31 AM
mepstein   Just went out for a drive. Pedal is soft. On sm...   May 20 2014, 12:10 PM
Racer Chris   ... Pedal is soft. ... When I say the pedal is so...   May 20 2014, 12:45 PM
saigon71   As others have suggested, make sure you have the s...   May 21 2014, 07:33 AM
bandjoey   Floor board flex? There are several threads on ma...   May 21 2014, 07:44 AM
wndsnd   This thread got me thinking that my brakes could b...   May 21 2014, 05:16 PM
URY914   Isintampa, What part of T do you live?   May 21 2014, 07:27 PM
lsintampa   I'm in North Tampa .... Carrollwood actually. ...   May 21 2014, 08:41 PM
stugray   For those that say they cannot lock the brakes, th...   May 22 2014, 09:19 AM
Eric_Shea   Bed the pads and bed them again. Even old pads w...   May 22 2014, 07:28 PM
lsintampa   Bed the pads and bed them again. Even old pads ...   May 22 2014, 09:03 PM
Eric_Shea   Also, remember, it's a 40 year old car. A lot ...   May 22 2014, 09:15 PM
worn   Also, remember, it's a 40 year old car. A lot...   May 23 2014, 09:39 AM
brant   and you still need to upgrade your pads.... were ...   May 22 2014, 10:37 PM
larss   I had about the same problem with my 914/4, could ...   May 23 2014, 10:03 AM
jmill   If your still not happy you can call Eric up and g...   May 23 2014, 06:24 PM


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