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> push rod tube, to paint or not
jacksun
post Jul 1 2014, 11:43 AM
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Hi,

got my first push rod tube cleaned up and would like to paint it with

hi-temp paint? any problems doing so?

tks

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post Jul 7 2014, 01:06 PM
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You're talking about the point in that video, right?


Yes, and it also applies to this discussion.

1 - Yes black paint will help the push rod tubes radiate heat better (but they will also absorb heat better)
2 - The black paint does not change the convection properties at all (positive or negative) contrary to your comment:

"Bare metal (aluminum anyway) convects heat best, and that's science"

Although the truth is that certain surface preparations DO help convect the heat better if it increases surface area and does NOT provide an insulating layer. An aluminum flame spray coating would help convect heat better than a polished aluminum surface.
A rough plastic coating would HURT the convection because it would decrease conduction of the heat to the surface where the convection takes it away.

3 - The emissive properties of the tubes (painted or not) is meaningless because the contribution towards cooling is orders of magnitude greater for Convection than it is for Radiation.

So trying to optimize convection is a much greater return on investment than optimizing radiation.
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post Jul 7 2014, 04:16 PM
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In the video you posted the black paint really improved the heat transfer from radiation, but in this or that application who really cares about radiation?

QUOTE(stugray @ Jul 7 2014, 12:06 PM) *

2 - The black paint does not change the convection properties at all (positive or negative)

Yeah, funny thing, I went back to look at the Mighty Mods video you posted and bless my soul if among the "you might also like" videos shown there's this one, "Mythbusting the Mighty Mods Black Intercooler Video" with an engineer going through the math and apparently contradicting both the conclusions in that Mighty Mods video and some of your points:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_mmmXTbLP0&sns=em

Those are twelve minutes of your life you'll never get back, but it seems better than going back and forth about it. In any case this horse is truly dead now, so to the original poster my advice is to ignore the science, ignore the conflicting advice and do whatever the hell you want.
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jacksun   push rod tube   Jul 1 2014, 11:43 AM
914Sixer   Paint holds heat. They were plated gold or clear ...   Jul 1 2014, 02:13 PM
jacksun   hmm ..... now I have four painted.............. f...   Jul 1 2014, 04:59 PM
Mike Bellis   Has anyone really done a study to find out how muc...   Jul 1 2014, 05:24 PM
Mike Bellis   BTW, Kirchoff's Law of Thermodynamics basicall...   Jul 1 2014, 05:34 PM
jacksun   just kidding about the purple....... they are blac...   Jul 1 2014, 05:37 PM
Mike Bellis   just kidding about the purple....... they are bla...   Jul 1 2014, 06:07 PM
swooshdave   Some of you are worried that a little paint on the...   Jul 1 2014, 06:08 PM
Mike Bellis   Some of you are worried that a little paint on th...   Jul 1 2014, 06:12 PM
r_towle   Some of you are worried that a little paint on th...   Jul 1 2014, 07:20 PM
swooshdave   What happens if I paint my jackstands? (oops, I h...   Jul 1 2014, 07:25 PM
PlantMan   What happens if I paint my jackstands? (oops, I ...   Jul 1 2014, 07:59 PM
malcolm2   I painted mine..... But masked off the o-ring sea...   Jul 1 2014, 08:04 PM
PanelBilly   It it looks good then do it. Are you going to race...   Jul 1 2014, 08:18 PM
malcolm2   It it looks good then do it. Are you going to rac...   Jul 1 2014, 08:21 PM
Keyser Sose   All the oil that goes to the rocker assemblies, wh...   Jul 1 2014, 08:49 PM
jacksun   http://www.vw-resource.com/cooling_qa.html ...   Jul 2 2014, 04:56 AM
Keyser Sose   Oil 'dribbles' back? Sure, at idle. Fift...   Jul 2 2014, 12:23 PM
stugray   The old wive's tale of "Black gets hott...   Jul 2 2014, 01:19 PM
Java2570   And we all know what happened to Dr. Malcolm in Ju...   Jul 2 2014, 01:47 PM
WLD419   I went ahead and painted mine :) , I ended up us...   Jul 3 2014, 04:01 AM
stugray   What's with the plug wires? Must be dual plug...   Jul 3 2014, 08:03 AM
WLD419   What's with the plug wires? Must be dual plu...   Jul 3 2014, 08:23 PM
barefoot   Sorry, slight thread hijack, but an order of magni...   Jul 3 2014, 08:36 AM
barefoot   xx   Jul 3 2014, 04:06 PM
stugray   Funny that I stumbled across this after this discu...   Jul 6 2014, 10:49 PM
jacksun   thanks for the link   Jul 7 2014, 06:08 AM
Keyser Sose   Sorry, can't believe that, no way. Bare metal...   Jul 7 2014, 06:53 AM
stugray   I think that the point was: "Black painted ...   Jul 7 2014, 07:14 AM
Keyser Sose   You're talking about the point in that video, ...   Jul 7 2014, 12:32 PM
stugray   Yes, and it also applies to this discussion. 1 ...   Jul 7 2014, 01:06 PM
Keyser Sose   In the video you posted the black paint really imp...   Jul 7 2014, 04:16 PM
stugray   That's exactly what I have been saying as wel...   Jul 7 2014, 06:07 PM
Keyser Sose   OK, reality check. Stu, we're talking about p...   Jul 7 2014, 07:54 PM
stugray   OK, reality check. Keyser - First I said it doesnt...   Jul 7 2014, 10:09 PM
Highland   I just watched both u-tube videos and it seems lik...   Jul 8 2014, 05:39 PM
Mike Bellis   I knew this would turn into a good debate... :evil...   Jul 8 2014, 06:04 PM


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