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lexatola
post Oct 18 2014, 12:08 AM
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I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on the 2270 engine kit from the Type 4 store. I'm curious if anyone knows what the difference between the kit and the Raby 2270 SR. I see they each have different HP specs. Do we think this is an actual difference or just a difference in written spec? Same cam? Same Heads? Curious if this kit can make better HP than 140? Headers? Other tested and ordained cam?

I'd appreciate any input based on experience,

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post Oct 18 2014, 10:34 AM
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Thanks all for the confirmation that we think the kit is made up of some different components than the turnkey motors. I'm just trying to sort out the best path. Seems like if you take a 2.0 add headers, twin carbs and a hotter cam that this would get things up to 125hp or so. The kit feels like a lot of investment for another 15HP. I'm wondering if the kit can be pumped up by a yet hotter cam and with headers? Is there 160hp in the kit there to be extracted? Any experience with this? I'm assuming that the key difference between the kit and turn key is cam and heads?


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post Oct 21 2014, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(lexatola @ Oct 18 2014, 12:34 PM) *

Thanks all for the confirmation that we think the kit is made up of some different components than the turnkey motors. I'm just trying to sort out the best path. Seems like if you take a 2.0 add headers, twin carbs and a hotter cam that this would get things up to 125hp or so. The kit feels like a lot of investment for another 15HP. I'm wondering if the kit can be pumped up by a yet hotter cam and with headers? Is there 160hp in the kit there to be extracted? Any experience with this? I'm assuming that the key difference between the kit and turn key is cam and heads?


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Alex

The to give you more to think about.
The Type 4 motor is not nearly as popular as the type 1 motor, so you won't see as much data on what do do with the motor, secrets of builds etc.

The key to any of these motors is to make them more efficient as air pumps.
these type 4 motors can be made to put out a lot more real torque than a type 1 , so if you are driving it around town, using it for an occasional autocross, showing the car etc....those are some of the goal you need to share to get a more refined answer.

There are many opinions on what type of build to do, what size etc...
Once you wrap your head around your goals, you have options to consider.
Build a stock motor
Build a hopped up stock motor for vintage racing ( a very specific set of rules needs to be followed)
Build a large type 4 motor (all large type 4 motors creat compromises that you need to decide....longevity, target rpm range etc)
Build a high revving race motor that sucks on the street
Put in a six cylinder motor.

So, you wnt find as much information, but you will find it if you ask informed questions, and you ask the right sources.

Look at shoptalk forums
Look at pelican
Look more here

Talk to builders
AJ Simms
FAT performance
Jake Raby
Emory Brothers ( who do know, they just don't talk about type 4 too much)

In the end, these 4 cylinder aircooled motors share a lot of characteristics, so better flowing heads, more aggressive camshaft, larger stroke....reall the same as any gasoline engine...

For specific camshaft suggestions, ask Web Cam, there are others.

Be specific with your questions, and you will get answers.

What is the purpose of the car?
Race, show, or street?
4 cylinder a must or are you considering a 6 cylinder?
Do you want to build the motor, or buy a bolt in motor?
All of that will get you past the first set of questions to learn more.

Rich
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lexatola   Type 4 Store 2270   Oct 18 2014, 12:08 AM
Vacca Rabite   Different engines built to different specs using d...   Oct 18 2014, 03:05 AM
Harpo   I was not aware that they started selling engine k...   Oct 18 2014, 04:23 AM
Mark Henry   I was not aware that they started selling engine ...   Oct 18 2014, 07:19 AM
RobW   McMark. :mcmark:   Oct 18 2014, 05:48 AM
Mblizzard   They are. Looking around that store is like surfi...   Oct 18 2014, 06:09 AM
JStroud   You are correct, the type 4 store is now owned by ...   Oct 18 2014, 07:52 AM
lexatola   Thanks all for the confirmation that we think the ...   Oct 18 2014, 10:34 AM
Racer Chris   Thanks all for the confirmation that we think the...   Oct 18 2014, 12:05 PM
type47   Seems like if you take a 2.0 add headers, twin ca...   Oct 20 2014, 07:34 AM
r_towle   Thanks all for the confirmation that we think the...   Oct 21 2014, 08:33 AM
McMark   I find that looking at the HP numbers is just conf...   Oct 18 2014, 11:25 AM
Mark Henry   A header is the cheapest boost in HP and it's ...   Oct 18 2014, 12:41 PM
ConeDodger   I find that looking at the HP numbers is just con...   Oct 18 2014, 01:40 PM
Mikey914   Exponential power to price curve. Pick your sweet ...   Oct 18 2014, 12:06 PM
Hank914   What is there for a slight bump in HP if you want ...   Oct 18 2014, 01:16 PM
Mark Henry   What is there for a slight bump in HP if you want...   Oct 18 2014, 01:27 PM
Hank914   What is there for a slight bump in HP if you wan...   Oct 18 2014, 02:13 PM
Mark Henry   Thanks for the reply. Yes, I saw that. I shoul...   Oct 18 2014, 04:38 PM
lexatola   Thanks again for the continued activity. I like t...   Oct 18 2014, 05:00 PM
Vacca Rabite   Thanks again for the continued activity. I like ...   Oct 18 2014, 08:23 PM
76-914   Thanks again for the continued activity. I like...   Oct 20 2014, 08:24 AM
r_towle   Thanks again for the continued activity. I like ...   Oct 19 2014, 07:37 AM
rmdinmd   [quote name='Hank914' post='2099544...   Oct 19 2014, 06:38 AM
Mark Henry   I have been thinking about adding an oil cooler ...   Oct 19 2014, 09:51 AM
Racer Chris   Heat exchangers and fuel fired heaters have been ...   Oct 19 2014, 06:53 PM
Jake Raby   I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on t...   Oct 20 2014, 08:47 AM
KELTY360   [quote name='lexatola' post='2099298' date='Oct 1...   Oct 20 2014, 06:24 PM
malcolm2   Jake did you have this car at the tail of the...   Oct 22 2014, 07:05 PM
Jake Raby   Jake did you have this car at the tail of th...   Oct 22 2014, 07:59 PM
r_towle   Please do a thread on that car Jake.... I would lo...   Oct 20 2014, 05:40 PM
Jake Raby   Please do a thread on that car Jake.... I would l...   Oct 20 2014, 10:18 PM
lexatola   Here's my Outlaw.....Just for fun!   Oct 20 2014, 10:24 PM
lexatola   I have to say, being brand spanking new to the 914...   Oct 20 2014, 10:48 PM
McMark   :rolleyes:   Oct 21 2014, 01:32 AM
Dave_Darling   Another factor is that the 911 and 356 performance...   Oct 21 2014, 09:46 AM
SchwarzHorse   And if you install an engine manufactured by anoth...   Oct 21 2014, 01:25 PM
Mark Henry   And if you install an engine manufactured by anot...   Oct 21 2014, 01:50 PM
DBCooper   And prepare to stop telling people that you drive...   Oct 21 2014, 01:57 PM
RobW   That's it. I'm joining the 924 club!   Oct 21 2014, 01:58 PM
mr2by4   That's it. I'm joining the 924 club! ...   Oct 21 2014, 02:25 PM
biosurfer1   That's it. I'm joining the 924 club! ...   Oct 21 2014, 03:36 PM
Jake Raby   People want to be "builders", but they w...   Oct 21 2014, 10:56 PM
lexatola   Lot's of great perspectives added to the subje...   Oct 22 2014, 09:23 AM
stugray   What I'm hoping to learn, as an example, is ...   Oct 22 2014, 04:30 PM
Mark Henry   Unless you are stroking it stick with the stock ro...   Oct 22 2014, 09:33 AM
DBCooper   Cam I like the WEB 163/86b Absolutely. Split dur...   Oct 22 2014, 05:01 PM
Vacca Rabite   The "easy" builds won't get you to y...   Oct 22 2014, 11:27 AM
Racer Chris   40 IDFs won't get you to 180 hp without lots o...   Oct 22 2014, 01:40 PM
rhodyguy   Lex, you should take the short trek to gig harbor ...   Oct 22 2014, 03:44 PM
r_towle   103mm pistons and cylinders (use forged Pistons, J...   Oct 22 2014, 04:52 PM
Jake Raby   If torque is more important than HP, then make a c...   Oct 22 2014, 06:21 PM
rdauenhauer   I have moved toward a 2.4L combo for my engine p...   Oct 22 2014, 10:13 PM
Jake Raby   No, the next generation combo is 82X97mm using my ...   Oct 22 2014, 11:13 PM
Sfreeman615   I purchased the 2270 kit and heads from the type4 ...   Oct 23 2014, 09:36 AM


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