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lexatola
post Oct 18 2014, 12:08 AM
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I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on the 2270 engine kit from the Type 4 store. I'm curious if anyone knows what the difference between the kit and the Raby 2270 SR. I see they each have different HP specs. Do we think this is an actual difference or just a difference in written spec? Same cam? Same Heads? Curious if this kit can make better HP than 140? Headers? Other tested and ordained cam?

I'd appreciate any input based on experience,

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Alex
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post Oct 22 2014, 09:23 AM
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Lot's of great perspectives added to the subject. So here is what I'm trying to achieve. The car will be a street car and it will stay narrow bodied. It will be upgraded to 911 suspension, 5 lug, etc. My other cars are high revvers and so I'm actually excited about having this car more torque oriented. My deal with the projects that I take on is that I try to find ways to make the cars desirable and cool but still be very period correct and collectable. I do look long and hard for ways to achieve this cost effectively. As we all know the last 10% can cost as much as the first 90% of a restoration so I come at these projects with a bang for the buck perspective not a perfectionist's perspective. So honestly what I've been trying to figure out, like I have in other areas of Porsche work, is what is the sweetspot for a motor that will add excitement to the car, be reliable but also be very affordable. I'd love to spend $15k on a motor build (and just have for another project) but honestly can't justify that on this project. What I want to do is to take the 1.8 with 40 webers that came with this car and put a spec together that is easy and reliable. What I'm hoping to learn, as an example, is something like this:

1.8 case
Weber IDF 40s
96mm Cylinders AA
96 pistons JE (22 or 24?)
Crank??/Journals??
Rods?
Cam - webcam model xx?
Headers?
1.8 heads machined by whom and to what specs?

I know that its not in Jake's interest to share his refined specs and I wouldn't expect him to but I have to think that there are others out there who have had experience building motors with combinations of these various commonly available parts. Ideally, I'd like to find a combo of crank/journals and rods that don't require a bunch of shimming or machining in order to work or deliever the correct C/R. There must be a combo between AA/Scat/Aircooled.net stuff that just works and when combined with a good cam and good head work will deliver strong performance...I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel or come up with the worlds best Type 4 motor, just trying to find an affordable path towards a tried and true solution that provides exciting performance and reliability.

Any additional info would be much appreciated...

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QUOTE(lexatola @ Oct 22 2014, 09:23 AM) *

What I'm hoping to learn, as an example, is something like this:

1.8 case - Good. Check align bore needs & "true" the deck. Check with "Jesco Reient" (on this forum) for line bore and checking crank

Weber IDF 40s - contact "ThePaintedMan" (on this forum) for rebuild/advice

96mm Cylinders AA - Contact "Euro. Motor Works" for complete kits with KB pistons
96 pistons JE (22 or 24?)
http://www.europeanmotorworks.com/

Crank??/Journals?? - Keep stock
Rods? - Stock

Cam - webcam model xx? 86b is good start and manageable on the street
http://www.webcamshafts.com/pages/automobi...691_001095.html

Headers? - Tangerine Racing. "Racer Chris" (on this forum)
http://www.tangerineracing.com/tangerineheaders.htm

1.8 heads machined by whom and to what specs? - contact HAM Inc (on this forum)
http://www.hamincgroup.com/main.php

Any additional info would be much appreciated...

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Alex


I would have been one year ahead with my build if I had known just the few gems of info above.

And a trick I learned too late: Make a google doc "914 logbook" for me and WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN!
I use the google docs because I can cut & paste pictures, diagrams, and links.
Then it is all available on my cell phone for access in the garage.
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lexatola   Type 4 Store 2270   Oct 18 2014, 12:08 AM
Vacca Rabite   Different engines built to different specs using d...   Oct 18 2014, 03:05 AM
Harpo   I was not aware that they started selling engine k...   Oct 18 2014, 04:23 AM
Mark Henry   I was not aware that they started selling engine ...   Oct 18 2014, 07:19 AM
RobW   McMark. :mcmark:   Oct 18 2014, 05:48 AM
Mblizzard   They are. Looking around that store is like surfi...   Oct 18 2014, 06:09 AM
JStroud   You are correct, the type 4 store is now owned by ...   Oct 18 2014, 07:52 AM
lexatola   Thanks all for the confirmation that we think the ...   Oct 18 2014, 10:34 AM
Racer Chris   Thanks all for the confirmation that we think the...   Oct 18 2014, 12:05 PM
type47   Seems like if you take a 2.0 add headers, twin ca...   Oct 20 2014, 07:34 AM
r_towle   Thanks all for the confirmation that we think the...   Oct 21 2014, 08:33 AM
McMark   I find that looking at the HP numbers is just conf...   Oct 18 2014, 11:25 AM
Mark Henry   A header is the cheapest boost in HP and it's ...   Oct 18 2014, 12:41 PM
ConeDodger   I find that looking at the HP numbers is just con...   Oct 18 2014, 01:40 PM
Mikey914   Exponential power to price curve. Pick your sweet ...   Oct 18 2014, 12:06 PM
Hank914   What is there for a slight bump in HP if you want ...   Oct 18 2014, 01:16 PM
Mark Henry   What is there for a slight bump in HP if you want...   Oct 18 2014, 01:27 PM
Hank914   What is there for a slight bump in HP if you wan...   Oct 18 2014, 02:13 PM
Mark Henry   Thanks for the reply. Yes, I saw that. I shoul...   Oct 18 2014, 04:38 PM
lexatola   Thanks again for the continued activity. I like t...   Oct 18 2014, 05:00 PM
Vacca Rabite   Thanks again for the continued activity. I like ...   Oct 18 2014, 08:23 PM
76-914   Thanks again for the continued activity. I like...   Oct 20 2014, 08:24 AM
r_towle   Thanks again for the continued activity. I like ...   Oct 19 2014, 07:37 AM
rmdinmd   [quote name='Hank914' post='2099544...   Oct 19 2014, 06:38 AM
Mark Henry   I have been thinking about adding an oil cooler ...   Oct 19 2014, 09:51 AM
Racer Chris   Heat exchangers and fuel fired heaters have been ...   Oct 19 2014, 06:53 PM
Jake Raby   I'm getting close to pulling the trigger on t...   Oct 20 2014, 08:47 AM
KELTY360   [quote name='lexatola' post='2099298' date='Oct 1...   Oct 20 2014, 06:24 PM
malcolm2   Jake did you have this car at the tail of the...   Oct 22 2014, 07:05 PM
Jake Raby   Jake did you have this car at the tail of th...   Oct 22 2014, 07:59 PM
r_towle   Please do a thread on that car Jake.... I would lo...   Oct 20 2014, 05:40 PM
Jake Raby   Please do a thread on that car Jake.... I would l...   Oct 20 2014, 10:18 PM
lexatola   Here's my Outlaw.....Just for fun!   Oct 20 2014, 10:24 PM
lexatola   I have to say, being brand spanking new to the 914...   Oct 20 2014, 10:48 PM
McMark   :rolleyes:   Oct 21 2014, 01:32 AM
Dave_Darling   Another factor is that the 911 and 356 performance...   Oct 21 2014, 09:46 AM
SchwarzHorse   And if you install an engine manufactured by anoth...   Oct 21 2014, 01:25 PM
Mark Henry   And if you install an engine manufactured by anot...   Oct 21 2014, 01:50 PM
DBCooper   And prepare to stop telling people that you drive...   Oct 21 2014, 01:57 PM
RobW   That's it. I'm joining the 924 club!   Oct 21 2014, 01:58 PM
mr2by4   That's it. I'm joining the 924 club! ...   Oct 21 2014, 02:25 PM
biosurfer1   That's it. I'm joining the 924 club! ...   Oct 21 2014, 03:36 PM
Jake Raby   People want to be "builders", but they w...   Oct 21 2014, 10:56 PM
lexatola   Lot's of great perspectives added to the subje...   Oct 22 2014, 09:23 AM
stugray   What I'm hoping to learn, as an example, is ...   Oct 22 2014, 04:30 PM
Mark Henry   Unless you are stroking it stick with the stock ro...   Oct 22 2014, 09:33 AM
DBCooper   Cam I like the WEB 163/86b Absolutely. Split dur...   Oct 22 2014, 05:01 PM
Vacca Rabite   The "easy" builds won't get you to y...   Oct 22 2014, 11:27 AM
Racer Chris   40 IDFs won't get you to 180 hp without lots o...   Oct 22 2014, 01:40 PM
rhodyguy   Lex, you should take the short trek to gig harbor ...   Oct 22 2014, 03:44 PM
r_towle   103mm pistons and cylinders (use forged Pistons, J...   Oct 22 2014, 04:52 PM
Jake Raby   If torque is more important than HP, then make a c...   Oct 22 2014, 06:21 PM
rdauenhauer   I have moved toward a 2.4L combo for my engine p...   Oct 22 2014, 10:13 PM
Jake Raby   No, the next generation combo is 82X97mm using my ...   Oct 22 2014, 11:13 PM
Sfreeman615   I purchased the 2270 kit and heads from the type4 ...   Oct 23 2014, 09:36 AM


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