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> Pressure Plate Finger Grooves, caused by the throwout bearing
McMark
post Dec 9 2014, 11:25 AM
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Hey guys, check my logic here. I see this type of grooving all the time, on nearly every pressure plate I see - regardless of engine type, horsepower, etc. I hadn't given it too much thought other than, "I don't like it, but it happens every time." But I was just talking with someone and it occurred to me that this might be wear caused by a bad throwout bearing. If the grease is sticky, or if dirt has infiltrated the bearing, it may not be able to rotate/spin correctly and would slip causing wear.

The point of the throwout bearing should be to stop exactly this type of wear, right?
Doest this mean bad throwout bearings are super common?
Or is this a symptom of a loose clutch cable, not holding the throwout bearing tight to the fingers and that lets them slip?


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JStroud
post Dec 9 2014, 08:29 PM
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So my question, the PP picture in the first post, is it usable?
I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McMark wondering if I should use it for my 3.2 or buy a new one. It's a kep stage II.
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post Dec 9 2014, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(JStroud @ Dec 9 2014, 06:29 PM) *
I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McMark wondering if I should use it for my 3.2 or buy a new one. It's a kep stage II.

Aha!

Now i'm curious as well, but i see a clear pattern here.
Since my transmission always has had trouble getting into gear when at a standstill, i *always* keep it in gear and my foot on the clutch when stopped.

Interestingly enough, i never noticed any grinding noises ...
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post Dec 9 2014, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Dec 9 2014, 06:51 PM) *

QUOTE(JStroud @ Dec 9 2014, 06:29 PM) *
I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McMark wondering if I should use it for my 3.2 or buy a new one. It's a kep stage II.

Aha!

Now i'm curious as well, but i see a clear pattern here.
Since my transmission always has had trouble getting into gear when at a standstill, i *always* keep it in gear and my foot on the clutch when stopped.

Interestingly enough, i never noticed any grinding noises ...
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Doing as you do, Andy, is a guaranteed way to shorten the life of the thrust bearing in the crankcase. T1s and T4s are known for this (takes out the case, too), as are 4 cylinder VW watercooled engines. I've also seen it in Toyotas, Hondas, and even Hyundais. It CAN happen to you ...

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McMark   Pressure Plate Finger Grooves   Dec 9 2014, 11:25 AM
altitude411   How many miles are on that PP? What type of drivin...   Dec 9 2014, 11:31 AM
aircooledboy   The point of the throwout bearing should be to s...   Dec 9 2014, 11:40 AM
Dave_Darling   I thought ideally your throw out should hover just...   Dec 9 2014, 07:45 PM
scruz914   ..... there is always pressure on the throwout be...   Dec 9 2014, 08:23 PM
DBCooper   I thought ideally your throw out should hover jus...   Dec 10 2014, 09:39 AM
Dave_Darling   I don't think so. There's also a much la...   Dec 10 2014, 11:06 AM
Bartlett 914   Hey guys, check my logic here. I see this type o...   Dec 9 2014, 12:12 PM
roblav1   Looks like a real lot shifting, a too tight cable,...   Dec 9 2014, 12:19 PM
Valy   It happens to all pressure plates, regardless of c...   Dec 9 2014, 12:23 PM
Elliot Cannon   This is one reason I have been taught in the past ...   Dec 9 2014, 12:41 PM
r_towle   This is one reason I have been taught in the past...   Dec 9 2014, 07:34 PM
wndsnd   I have learned this as well. Always go into neutr...   Dec 9 2014, 01:13 PM
McMark   356 Pressure Plate of unknown age. 914 Pressure ...   Dec 9 2014, 01:21 PM
scruz914   Do you have photos of the throwout bearing? What d...   Dec 9 2014, 01:34 PM
JStroud   So my question, the PP picture in the first post, ...   Dec 9 2014, 08:29 PM
SirAndy   I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McMa...   Dec 9 2014, 08:51 PM
Cap'n Krusty   I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McM...   Dec 9 2014, 09:06 PM
r_towle   I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McM...   Dec 9 2014, 09:50 PM
SirAndy   From what I could tell once it started to get loud...   Dec 9 2014, 09:56 PM
tdgray   I just changed my fifty plus year old original pre...   Dec 9 2014, 08:43 PM
larryM   here is a good start for further investigation: se...   Dec 9 2014, 08:50 PM
r_towle   Got it.... Again, it's a risk, but if it's...   Dec 9 2014, 10:00 PM
SirAndy   if it's free or super cheap I have yet to rec...   Dec 9 2014, 10:03 PM
JStroud   if it's free or super cheap I have yet to re...   Dec 9 2014, 10:10 PM
JStroud   Got it.... Again, it's a risk, but if it...   Dec 10 2014, 09:16 AM
McMark   Got it.... Again, it's a risk, but if it...   Dec 10 2014, 06:21 PM
r_towle   [quote name='JStroud' post='2120733' date='Dec 10...   Dec 10 2014, 07:01 PM
JStroud   [quote name='JStroud' post='2120733' date='Dec 1...   Dec 11 2014, 12:36 AM
DBCooper   Ahhchh.... you're right, Dave, that spring is ...   Dec 10 2014, 03:30 PM
a few loose screws   Wow, What a dumb design. glad i read this. Another...   Dec 10 2014, 05:56 PM
DBCooper   Wow, What a dumb design. glad i read this. Anothe...   Dec 10 2014, 06:23 PM
DBCooper   Fingers broke on my son's Kennedy pressure pla...   Dec 10 2014, 06:32 PM
Bartlett 914   A lot of the comments seem to point to the throwou...   Dec 10 2014, 06:32 PM
a few loose screws   I was referring to the clutch release bearing havi...   Dec 10 2014, 06:44 PM
edwin   Most clutches that I've replaced have looked l...   Dec 11 2014, 01:57 AM


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