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> Pressure Plate Finger Grooves, caused by the throwout bearing
McMark
post Dec 9 2014, 11:25 AM
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Hey guys, check my logic here. I see this type of grooving all the time, on nearly every pressure plate I see - regardless of engine type, horsepower, etc. I hadn't given it too much thought other than, "I don't like it, but it happens every time." But I was just talking with someone and it occurred to me that this might be wear caused by a bad throwout bearing. If the grease is sticky, or if dirt has infiltrated the bearing, it may not be able to rotate/spin correctly and would slip causing wear.

The point of the throwout bearing should be to stop exactly this type of wear, right?
Doest this mean bad throwout bearings are super common?
Or is this a symptom of a loose clutch cable, not holding the throwout bearing tight to the fingers and that lets them slip?


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r_towle
post Dec 9 2014, 10:00 PM
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Got it....
Again, it's a risk, but if it's free or super cheap, and you are ok replacing it eventually, go for it....but know it's an issue that will need to be fixed...soon.

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post Dec 10 2014, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Dec 9 2014, 08:00 PM) *

Got it....
Again, it's a risk, but if it's free or super cheap, and you are ok replacing it eventually, go for it....but know it's an issue that will need to be fixed...soon.



How soon....are we talking 5000miles, 50,000 miles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

If the tip of the fingers break off, what happens, anyone see that?

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post Dec 10 2014, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(JStroud @ Dec 10 2014, 07:16 AM) *

QUOTE(r_towle @ Dec 9 2014, 08:00 PM) *

Got it....
Again, it's a risk, but if it's free or super cheap, and you are ok replacing it eventually, go for it....but know it's an issue that will need to be fixed...soon.



How soon....are we talking 5000miles, 50,000 miles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

If the tip of the fingers break off, what happens, anyone see that?

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Jeff

Google images shows some of these with broken fingers, so it does happen. Worst case scenario you lose some or all of your ability to disengage the clutch. Then you get it home, pull the transmission with the engine still in place, and swap in a new pressure plate. If it were my personal car, I'd run it and plan on swapping it out in a year or so.
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QUOTE(McMark @ Dec 10 2014, 07:21 PM) *

QUOTE(JStroud @ Dec 10 2014, 07:16 AM) *

QUOTE(r_towle @ Dec 9 2014, 08:00 PM) *

Got it....
Again, it's a risk, but if it's free or super cheap, and you are ok replacing it eventually, go for it....but know it's an issue that will need to be fixed...soon.



How soon....are we talking 5000miles, 50,000 miles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

If the tip of the fingers break off, what happens, anyone see that?

Thanks
Jeff

Google images shows some of these with broken fingers, so it does happen. Worst case scenario you lose some or all of your ability to disengage the clutch. Then you get it home, pull the transmission with the engine still in place, and swap in a new pressure plate. If it were my personal car, I'd run it and plan on swapping it out in a year or so.

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QUOTE(r_towle @ Dec 10 2014, 05:01 PM) *

QUOTE(McMark @ Dec 10 2014, 07:21 PM) *

QUOTE(JStroud @ Dec 10 2014, 07:16 AM) *

QUOTE(r_towle @ Dec 9 2014, 08:00 PM) *

Got it....
Again, it's a risk, but if it's free or super cheap, and you are ok replacing it eventually, go for it....but know it's an issue that will need to be fixed...soon.



How soon....are we talking 5000miles, 50,000 miles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

If the tip of the fingers break off, what happens, anyone see that?

Thanks
Jeff

Google images shows some of these with broken fingers, so it does happen. Worst case scenario you lose some or all of your ability to disengage the clutch. Then you get it home, pull the transmission with the engine still in place, and swap in a new pressure plate. If it were my personal car, I'd run it and plan on swapping it out in a year or so.

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Thanks, appreciate the input, I guess I'll plan on using it so I can get my car back on the road. Then I'll just have to start saving up for a new one, maybe change it next winter......if it makes it that long (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) my throw out bearing is fairy new, so that may help....and no riding the clutch pedal.
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McMark   Pressure Plate Finger Grooves   Dec 9 2014, 11:25 AM
altitude411   How many miles are on that PP? What type of drivin...   Dec 9 2014, 11:31 AM
aircooledboy   The point of the throwout bearing should be to s...   Dec 9 2014, 11:40 AM
Dave_Darling   I thought ideally your throw out should hover just...   Dec 9 2014, 07:45 PM
scruz914   ..... there is always pressure on the throwout be...   Dec 9 2014, 08:23 PM
DBCooper   I thought ideally your throw out should hover jus...   Dec 10 2014, 09:39 AM
Dave_Darling   I don't think so. There's also a much la...   Dec 10 2014, 11:06 AM
Bartlett 914   Hey guys, check my logic here. I see this type o...   Dec 9 2014, 12:12 PM
roblav1   Looks like a real lot shifting, a too tight cable,...   Dec 9 2014, 12:19 PM
Valy   It happens to all pressure plates, regardless of c...   Dec 9 2014, 12:23 PM
Elliot Cannon   This is one reason I have been taught in the past ...   Dec 9 2014, 12:41 PM
r_towle   This is one reason I have been taught in the past...   Dec 9 2014, 07:34 PM
wndsnd   I have learned this as well. Always go into neutr...   Dec 9 2014, 01:13 PM
McMark   356 Pressure Plate of unknown age. 914 Pressure ...   Dec 9 2014, 01:21 PM
scruz914   Do you have photos of the throwout bearing? What d...   Dec 9 2014, 01:34 PM
JStroud   So my question, the PP picture in the first post, ...   Dec 9 2014, 08:29 PM
SirAndy   I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McMa...   Dec 9 2014, 08:51 PM
Cap'n Krusty   I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McM...   Dec 9 2014, 09:06 PM
r_towle   I ask because I'm the one that sent it to McM...   Dec 9 2014, 09:50 PM
SirAndy   From what I could tell once it started to get loud...   Dec 9 2014, 09:56 PM
tdgray   I just changed my fifty plus year old original pre...   Dec 9 2014, 08:43 PM
larryM   here is a good start for further investigation: se...   Dec 9 2014, 08:50 PM
r_towle   Got it.... Again, it's a risk, but if it's...   Dec 9 2014, 10:00 PM
SirAndy   if it's free or super cheap I have yet to rec...   Dec 9 2014, 10:03 PM
JStroud   if it's free or super cheap I have yet to re...   Dec 9 2014, 10:10 PM
JStroud   Got it.... Again, it's a risk, but if it...   Dec 10 2014, 09:16 AM
McMark   Got it.... Again, it's a risk, but if it...   Dec 10 2014, 06:21 PM
r_towle   [quote name='JStroud' post='2120733' date='Dec 10...   Dec 10 2014, 07:01 PM
JStroud   [quote name='JStroud' post='2120733' date='Dec 1...   Dec 11 2014, 12:36 AM
DBCooper   Ahhchh.... you're right, Dave, that spring is ...   Dec 10 2014, 03:30 PM
a few loose screws   Wow, What a dumb design. glad i read this. Another...   Dec 10 2014, 05:56 PM
DBCooper   Wow, What a dumb design. glad i read this. Anothe...   Dec 10 2014, 06:23 PM
DBCooper   Fingers broke on my son's Kennedy pressure pla...   Dec 10 2014, 06:32 PM
Bartlett 914   A lot of the comments seem to point to the throwou...   Dec 10 2014, 06:32 PM
a few loose screws   I was referring to the clutch release bearing havi...   Dec 10 2014, 06:44 PM
edwin   Most clutches that I've replaced have looked l...   Dec 11 2014, 01:57 AM


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