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> Ben's 914 TURBO Official World Premier, 'cuz it didn't blowd up.
airsix
post Sep 13 2004, 01:04 AM
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Ok, so it isn't as cool as Chapman's 914-6 Turbo 3.0, but it's a turbo 914 all the same. Ladys and Gentlemen, at about 10:00 PST I got boost and there was much rejoicing. I took the car out, filled it with premium, tuned it with the laptop a little to make sure it got plenty of fuel under boost, and the mission was a sucess. Boost starts to come on at ~2,700rpm and is going full-steam by 3,500rpm.

I stand (ok, sit) here before you my brothers to declare that yes indeed, you can turbo a 914. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

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Engine: '73 1.7, stock internals
EFI ECU: Perfect Power MIC3 (Cost ~$500 to get on the car and running 3 years ago)
Misc EFI stuff: Subaru 1.8T injectors, Holly throttle body off a 3.0 Chrysler, BMW 5xx fuel pump, foam motorcycle aircleaner (temporary)
Turbo: IHI off 1.8L Subaru (including wastegate)
Misc Turbo stuff: Bosch blow-off valve (for a Saab I think). Cheap. Plastic. Works great.
Total cost to add turbo: $175 (EFI was already on the car. Use Megasquirt+turbo and you can do this for <$400 easy)

I tried to modify my fuel pressure regulator with a boost-reference port like the in the dune-buggy.com article but I broke off a wire guage drill bit about 1.5" deep into the bolt. Dang. Only had about a quarter-inch to go too. So I just bolted it back on the car and set the fuel pressure at the 30psi I have the ECU turned for. I tried to crank up the injector pulse width under boost to compensate, but they hit 100% duty cycle at 5,000rpm because at that point they only have 20psi effective pressure (because there's 10lb of boost by that point). So I'm keeping it under 5k rpm until I get a rising-rate pressure regulator. The wideband O2 says mixtures are just fine below that point. I estimate I'm getting 110hp (That's not a WAG. I really did the math) which doesn't sound like much but is sure better than the 80hp I had before. I would still like to add an intercooler which could put it in the neighborhood of 130hp without getting too boost-happy. Even as it is now I would say it's 100% more fun to drive. I'm really happy about it. I'll get the pressure regulator issue squared away so I can run it up to 6k and I think it'll keep me happy for quite a while.

Rick said "This thread is worthless without pictures" so here's the best I could do. If you missed the earlier thread I'll throw in one of the earlier pics too. I tried to make a video but all you hear is wind noice and the blow-off valve between shifts.
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post Sep 15 2004, 05:15 AM
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QUOTE(airsix @ Sep 15 2004, 12:11 AM)
UPDATE:

Well, I drove it to work today. I'm really liking this boost thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) But the 'not going past 4k rpm' part got old real quick because that's when thing are just starting to really get fun. If you recall this is a self-imposed limit because I haven't finished converting the fuel pressure regulator with a boost-reference port and the injectors can't keep up past around 4,700 rpm. So tonight after getting home late from work, and spending time with Jamie and Kimberly I went back out to the garage to try to figure out a way to get the broken drill bit out of the fuel pressure regulator adjustment bolt. No joy. So after wasting a bunch of time on that dead-end I scrounged up an 8x1.25 bolt and made a new one (square cut threads and all). This time I drilled it right by making a tooling plate to hold the bolt perfectly vertical. That worked. Bored it straight down the center. I then drilled the head of the bolt to press-fit a piece of tubing for the vacuum hose. So far so good. I got it back on the car and adjusted the pressure to 30 psi. Went to hook up a vacuum hose and the stinkin tube pulled out. Ok, going to have to solder it. Can't believe it pulled out. I had to press it in with an arbor press. Oh well. I need a vacuum hose 'T' anyway (I was going to temporarily steal the line to the BO valve). Tomorrow I'll grab a 'T' on the way home from work, solder the tube into the bolt head and see how it works.

This boost stuff is really a new tuning experience. I thought I had my ignition advance curve roughed in pretty good but I found out today that it'll need some more work. I had roughed it in by doing some second-gear pulls from idle to 5k rpm. But what I found out today is that I'm going to need to refine the boost-retard settings further because If I rip through the gears there is more boost the second time through the rpm range. For example if I'm loping along in 2nd @ 2,000 rpm and floor it I might have around 3 lb. boost by the time I get to 3,000 rpm. If I take it up to 5,000 rpm and grab third I find myself into a lot more boost than I was at the same rpms in second.

Ed(s), and others who've done this sort of tuning... What kind of advance settings are/were you using? My ECU will allow me to subtract from the advance angle at various manifold pressures. I put in a linear boost-retard from 0 at atmospheric to -10 at 10psi. (For example the advance angle at 3,000 rpm and 10 psi would be 27 - 10 = 17 degrees). I really don't know if this is even anywhere near close. (no intercooler)

Thanks for keeping the chatter up. This is fun.

-Ben M.

Ben, 1 degree of retard per pound of boost is a good guide line.
I found that I needed to be at 24 degrees for anything over 8-psi. Your system is more adjustable than mine was so you will have to experiment. I would start a little higher, 24 vs 17 and back it down as necessary. Too little timimg is no good either and will cost you power.

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Ed
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airsix   Ben's 914 TURBO Official World Premier   Sep 13 2004, 01:04 AM
airsix   Ok, here's the one some of you already saw - t...   Sep 13 2004, 01:06 AM
airsix   Here's the best shot I could get of it on the ...   Sep 13 2004, 01:09 AM
redshift   :trophy: YES! Good job! I'd do that....   Sep 13 2004, 01:23 AM
airsix   ...   Sep 13 2004, 01:44 AM
SpecialK   Congratulations Ben! :beer1: Nice fab work t...   Sep 13 2004, 01:58 AM
iamchappy   Great work, you have seen the light. Turbo on brot...   Sep 13 2004, 02:20 AM
ejm   Nice job.. Welcome to the club :beer2:   Sep 13 2004, 04:35 AM
Evill Ed     Sep 13 2004, 05:23 AM
Racer Chris   Good job Ben! :clap:   Sep 13 2004, 05:44 AM
nein14   :trophy: Congradulations!!! from one ...   Sep 13 2004, 07:32 AM
airsix  
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fiid   NICE JOB!!!! Serious Kudos to you...   Sep 13 2004, 09:50 AM
Root_Werks   Couple of buddies of mine and I have thought about...   Sep 13 2004, 10:14 AM
airsix     Sep 13 2004, 12:04 PM
airsix     Sep 13 2004, 12:22 PM
red914   Ben, that thing looks awesome! any chance of ...   Sep 13 2004, 12:59 PM
Root_Werks   I agree with Shane, if you come on over to the wes...   Sep 13 2004, 01:25 PM
airsix   You guys are great. Thanks for all the comments. ...   Sep 13 2004, 02:21 PM
airsix     Sep 13 2004, 02:27 PM
Eddie914  
In what part of Eastern Washington State do you li...   Sep 13 2004, 02:46 PM
TimT   Kewl!! nice job Ben....You may want to ru...   Sep 13 2004, 03:11 PM
andys     Sep 13 2004, 03:42 PM
airsix   ...   Sep 13 2004, 04:15 PM
Andyrew   I want to see that intake setup!!! As...   Sep 13 2004, 04:25 PM
airsix   <...   Sep 13 2004, 05:30 PM
Brando   Next up, twin turbo? Run a turbo off of each side...   Sep 13 2004, 05:36 PM
Gint   Nice goin Ben! Ever going to dyno it?   Sep 13 2004, 06:15 PM
rick 918-S   That's what I'm talking about! :trophy...   Sep 13 2004, 09:29 PM
echocanyons   Damn fine work! :beer2:   Sep 13 2004, 10:15 PM
Jake Raby   The one big key is that you kept it a 1.7 Every T...   Sep 13 2004, 10:19 PM
Britain Smith     Sep 14 2004, 11:43 AM
nein14   HI Ed Your right, my mistake I was referring to o...   Sep 14 2004, 12:25 PM
Jake Raby   Nickies solve the sealing issues- period. Any size...   Sep 14 2004, 02:29 PM
jkeyzer   I was just wondering, is it really ok to run a wat...   Sep 14 2004, 02:32 PM
lapuwali  
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Evill Ed   <...   Sep 14 2004, 03:22 PM
ArtechnikA     Sep 14 2004, 04:22 PM
airsix   UPDATE: Well, I drove it to work today. I'm r...   Sep 15 2004, 02:11 AM
Evill Ed     Sep 15 2004, 05:15 AM
Mark Henry   Congrats Ben, nice job! :trophy: Are you usi...   Sep 15 2004, 06:05 AM
iamchappy   Ben, have you considered a 5th injector ( cold sta...   Sep 15 2004, 06:35 AM
airsix   MORE UPDATES: Wow, thanks for all the great tips ...   Sep 16 2004, 12:52 AM
iamchappy   Turbo 914's are way to much fun. The air has b...   Sep 16 2004, 06:43 AM
airsix     Sep 16 2004, 12:15 PM
lapuwali   How much boost are you running? I thought you...   Sep 16 2004, 12:20 PM
airsix   ...   Sep 16 2004, 01:52 PM
cha914   UUUUMMMM... 1.62100 bar = 23.5106173 pounds per s...   Sep 16 2004, 02:09 PM
airsix     Sep 16 2004, 02:27 PM
lapuwali   MAP is 1.6 bar, not "boost". You're running ...   Sep 16 2004, 02:55 PM
aufaber   Wow, great job! You probably want to loose th...   Sep 16 2004, 02:56 PM
airsix   Hi Aaron! Actually I've got a real oil-lin...   Sep 16 2004, 03:22 PM
airsix   ...   Sep 16 2004, 05:25 PM
jkeyzer   What is the effect of compression ratio on the max...   Sep 16 2004, 05:58 PM
ArtechnikA   <...   Sep 16 2004, 06:07 PM
airsix   <...   Sep 16 2004, 06:15 PM
lapuwali   It's not really the compression ratio that...   Sep 16 2004, 06:18 PM
Mr_Chu   Before I comitted to a 6 conversion for my car.. i...   Sep 16 2004, 08:14 PM
iamchappy   3.0 - 6 Turbo, if you still choose to steer in tha...   Sep 16 2004, 08:51 PM
Andyrew   Theres no substitute for Cubic inches except force...   Sep 16 2004, 09:23 PM
airsix   James, that was some great info about turbo applic...   Sep 16 2004, 11:04 PM
redshift   ...   Sep 16 2004, 11:49 PM
Andyrew   Intercooled and water injected. Intercooler will ...   Sep 17 2004, 12:26 AM
lapuwali   I'd do an intercooler first, and just lay it a...   Sep 17 2004, 08:37 AM
andys   ...   Sep 17 2004, 10:42 AM
lapuwali  
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andys   Well, the quality of the gas is certainly a factor...   Sep 17 2004, 12:16 PM
aufaber     Sep 17 2004, 06:44 PM
ArtechnikA   <...   Sep 18 2004, 04:01 AM
airsix   UPDATE: I got mixture and advance angle squared aw...   Sep 18 2004, 09:48 PM
Mueller   :worship: congrats Ben....I'm jealous.. ac...   Sep 19 2004, 09:06 AM
airsix   Hey Mike, Hope you had a nice vacation. Don't ...   Sep 20 2004, 09:15 AM
Mueller   the 911 is an okay daily driver, but I "really" mi...   Sep 20 2004, 02:04 PM
airsix   Wow, great info Sammy! Mike, I forgot to warn...   Sep 20 2004, 02:56 PM
lapuwali  
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Mueller   Ben, yea, I've seen the copper heatsink in th...   Sep 20 2004, 03:42 PM
lapuwali   I meant the FETs powering the injectors, which sho...   Sep 20 2004, 03:59 PM
airsix   <...   Sep 20 2004, 09:23 PM
Mueller   Hey Ben...it's me again asking questions :) w...   Nov 11 2004, 05:50 PM
airsix   <...   Nov 11 2004, 08:36 PM
Mueller   when you ran your LM-1 for setting up your tables,...   Nov 11 2004, 08:42 PM
airsix   Definitely not the man, but thanks. When tuning wi...   Nov 11 2004, 10:45 PM
Brad Smith   ...   Nov 12 2004, 09:17 AM
soloracer   I've seen video clips of that mini van. Prett...   Nov 12 2004, 11:04 AM
Brad Smith   Nice pic... makes me feel like singing... "I like...   Nov 12 2004, 11:36 AM
airsix   <...   Apr 15 2005, 09:33 PM


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