You CF bigots in denial, and living in the past., Carbon fiber fans unite! |
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You CF bigots in denial, and living in the past., Carbon fiber fans unite! |
bob91403 |
Sep 22 2004, 02:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 15-September 04 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 2,763 |
You carbon fiber bigots out there are in denial, and living in the past. You call it "ricey", only because the manufacturers sell to the largest market, the ricers. But, you damn well know you'd opt for all the carbon fiber options you could get if you had the half mil. to spend on a Porsche Carrera GT. How can you call it "ricey", the whole damn dream car is full of carbon fiber. It happens to be a technological advancement, not some kind of fashion statement. Yeah, I think the stuff looks great. I'd love to get enough people together to convince rennspd.com to give me a good price on a pair of 916 bumpers, a pair of hoods, a rear wing, and to make molds for standard rocker panels, and a targa top. Maybe even some interior parts like dash top, bottom, face, doorpanels, center console, backpad. Stronger and lighter are two things you have to like. If you dont like the look, pad it or paint it. But, you can't look at a Porsche Carrera GT and make me believe you think it's "ricey". :finger2:
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bob91403 |
Sep 22 2004, 09:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 618 Joined: 15-September 04 From: Los Angeles, CA Member No.: 2,763 |
QUOTE(MattR @ Sep 22 2004, 06:42 PM) If you simply cut out the bad section of the chassis and "patch in" a new piece of cf, you're going to have a weak spot where the two ends meet. Think about it structuraly. When you weld a piece of metal, you make two pieces of metal one by literally melting the metal together. However you cant "bond" carbon sheets to eachother, your only using the resin to bond from carbon to carbon. In an area with little or no structural integrity (like a shift knob (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ) you can make bonded cf look okay, but when you're talking about the chassis of a cgt, they utilize every ounce of carbon fiber on that chassis, and messing with that would dimish the stiffness. And carbon fiber is expensive because of the materials cost. I know from experience. The costs dont go down that much if you bulk order something. You're not going to get a $500 dollar hood for $100 because you order a bunch of them... manufacturoring and materials cost a lot. Hey bob, you act like you're an authority on carbon fiber. How do you know so much about this stuff? I know that an "autoclave" is just a pressurised oven. And yes, it is joined that way. What, you think some magical elves weave these things on a spinning wheel? The parts are hand laid into molds, or wrapped around foam, the same way fiberglass is. The parts are bonded with either cast joints or wrapped with cross oriented layers, the same way fiberglass is. The only difference is the parts need to be cured under pressure, either in an "autoclave" or vacuum bag, and cured at temperature. It's not that complicated. It doesn't take a lot of pressue or temperature. The equipment is not that expensive to buy. I'm sure you'd be suprised, if you look in to it. I bet even you'd find it affordable. Anyone who wants to start producing a product would find out I'm right. And, who the hell said anything about a $500 part for a $100? Don't go making up things I never said. I said, if one company can do carbon fiber instead of fiberglass for a $200 difference. Then, another company with the same molds should be able to do carbon fiber, instead of fiberglass for the same $200 difference. $450 instead of $650. "If you wish to avoid looking ignorant, it is best to remain quiet, rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt". |
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