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| R_u_dd |
Jul 25 2015, 11:09 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: 3-March 14 From: Grants Pass, Oregon Member No.: 17,072 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Blue Porscheru Conversion
I started this project back in May of 2014 and wanted to share the journey with my friends and family. There's something appealing to people about taking a left-for-dead vehicle and bringing it back to life. I hope this build thread is a bit different than the others. It's a Subaru conversion which is not as common. I am/was a newbie. This is my first car restoration, if you can call it that. My welds are not pretty, but I've improved and learned throughout this process. This is a great car for a first restoration. It's light, simple, and very cool- mid engine with a targa top. This is the plan- We are starting with a 1971 tangerine 914 with light to moderate rust, nothing too serious. The original engine was a 1.7. Like so many other 914's it ran but has been sitting for a long time. The engine seems too far gone to try to rebuild it= lots of rust and corrosion. Powerplant: 2003 Subaru Impreza TS 2.5 SOHC, Natuaral- No Turbo, Why? Plenty of Power for me and no turbo lag. See Engine Choices thread. Transmission: Subaru 5MT 2003 Impreza TS ECU from: 2003 Subaru Impreza TS Electronics: Wiring Harness simplified by Small Car Performance Axles: 944 axles and CV's with Subaru inside CV- 4 lug for now. 914 suspension. No fender flares Voltage Blue Metallic: (Honda color), Painted Sail Panels. Before Pictures (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1486250894.1.jpg) The Future Look- Concepts The 914 visualizer, a very cool app. Current Look: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.imgur.com-17072-1607919164.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.imgur.com-17072-1607919164.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.imgur.com-17072-1607919165.3.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1459666779.1.jpg) Contents Axles Blasting Glass Bead Videos Battery Tray Area Battery and Tray Budget Scenarios Brakes Bumper - Valence Clutch Electronics Engine Discussion Engine Mount Engine Work Floor Pans and Engman Kit Fuel Pump Fuel Tank (Cleaning with Electrolysis) Paint Prep and Metal Work Paint Prep Continued Radiator Seats and Interior Seats Re-upholstery Links Transmission Transmission Mount Videos This thread is for entertainment purposes only. I am not a certified mechanic. There are many that have pioneered the suby conversion before me, but this is my story. Hope you enjoy this thread! Chris (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1486249676.1.jpg) |
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| R_u_dd |
Nov 14 2015, 05:48 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 154 Joined: 3-March 14 From: Grants Pass, Oregon Member No.: 17,072 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Axles
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1447544911.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1447544911.2.jpg) Subaru on top and 914 on the bottom. The Subaru is a 29 spline and the 914/bug axle is a 33 spline. My axles will need to be shortened because the engine is set forward slightly from the designs of other cradles such as Ian's. I set the engine farther forward to avoid cutting the trunk and flipping the manifold (for now). Note that there is 4 inches of offset from the transmission to the wheel hubs. There should be some bend in the axles and CV's for proper lubrication of the CV's, but how much is too much? According to the Blind Chicken, the maximum angle for the Type 1 CV (bug CV measures the same as the 914) is 12 Degrees. For this reason, I may have to go with the 944 CV's (22 degrees offset capability), on the 914 axles and do a 5 lug conversion while I am at it. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1447544911.3.jpg) Sawtooth shortened his axles to 18" from 20.25". When I called Dutchman, they suggested doing a mock up by cutting the Subaru axle off and using angle iron to splint the axles together, which would work fine if I had an extra axle to cut up. Anyone? I am going to have to mock up some temporary axles to make sure the CV's will handle the offset and to get the right measurements before I cut the axles down to size. Otherwise, I am concerned about getting the measurements right for the axle length. One positive (with Dutchman) is that you don't need to send all the measurements if you have a sample Subaru axle end to use as an example of what you want, so the only real measurement you need is the axle length- with no other modifications (ie. 911/944 CV's). I would like to keep it simple and use the 914 axles and CV's if possible. This is similar to what I plan to do here: Subaru inner CV- 914 axle- 914 outer CV- 4 lug wheels (for now) Update: The plan is to use 914 stub axles, Renegade conversion plate, 944 CV and axle, resplined on the inside for the Subaru CV to the 5MT transmission. The following discussion is me trying to learn what to do. Axle Info and Threads: Axle Info 101 from Blind Chicken "Things I think I know about CV's and Axles" Dutchman Axles Corkus- Axle questions for a Subaru Tranny, Another Subaru conversion... Axles Shortened in Subi Swap? Angle of Articulation Bus Axles 944 vs 914 5 Lug Axle Conversion: Sir Andy- Convert to real 5-lug using 944 CVs Eric Shea- Easy 5-Lug Conversion - 911 Running Gear, For High Power Applications... I went out and took some measurements with the 914 axles. It looks like I am close to 22 degrees which is the max for a 944 CV. (Update- At 12 degrees) Hmmm. This is a critical decision here. The 914 CV is supposed to max out at 12 degrees. So, I may have to find some 944 CV's but that is fine since it allows me to switch to a 5 lug wheel. Take a look at these pictures. I am curious and need opinions here on this angle. The wheel and CV seem to turn without much friction, but apparently I am past the angle that these CV's can handle. If this angle is too steep (even if I go with the 944 CV), I have to stop here and redesign my cradle and likely cut the trunk. What do you think? More pix- (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1447544912.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1447544912.5.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1447544912.6.jpg) The 944 axles and conversion plates have arrived. I purchased the plates from Renegade Hybrids. They are about a half inch thick and bolt into the 914 stub hub on one side and the 944 cv on the other. This gives a much stronger CV threshold and a larger angle of travel, now up to 22 degrees. This should prevent me from having to redo the engine cradle and flip the manifold. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i1301.photobucket.com-17072-1471580651.1.jpg) |
R_u_dd Blue Porscheru Conversion Jul 25 2015, 11:09 PM
R_u_dd Favorite Subaru Conversion Threads:
Subaru Engine... Jul 25 2015, 11:56 PM
R_u_dd Subaru Engine Choices - Notes from various posters... Jul 26 2015, 12:52 AM
aircooledtechguy Good stuff in here. Thanks.
I look forward to wa... Jul 26 2015, 06:42 AM
Andyrew Great starter thread! Cant wait to see the wor... Jul 26 2015, 08:03 AM
R_u_dd Budget Planning 2015 costs
A good friend told me ... Jul 26 2015, 02:17 PM
mepstein Paint for $1000 - ? Missing a "0"? ... Jul 26 2015, 02:25 PM
R_u_dd
Paint for $1000 - ? Missing a "0"?... Jul 26 2015, 03:35 PM
Andyrew
Paint for $1000 - ? Missing a "0"?... Jul 27 2015, 09:40 AM
R_u_dd Floor Pans
One of the first tasks was to replace ... Jul 26 2015, 03:21 PM
R_u_dd Electronics
When you think about it...
it's ... Jul 26 2015, 11:28 PM
76-914 :Qarl: Another frigging Subarite! Welcome to t... Jul 27 2015, 05:58 PM
R_u_dd
:Qarl: Another frigging Subarite! Welcome to ... Jul 27 2015, 06:53 PM
rhodyguy Wow! Great thread. Warrants a trip to the ... Jul 27 2015, 06:14 PM
Mike Bellis Grafting two electrical systems is not that hard i... Jul 27 2015, 07:04 PM
JRust Just for a reference. I bought the Sawtooth build ... Jul 27 2015, 07:50 PM
R_u_dd
Just for a reference. I bought the Sawtooth build... Jul 29 2015, 08:28 AM
DBCooper I would assume both engines would lose a proportio... Jul 29 2015, 09:21 AM
Andyrew Read the first half of my progress thread for pain... Jul 28 2015, 08:11 AM
R_u_dd
Read the first half of my progress thread for pai... Jul 29 2015, 08:31 AM
Andyrew
I really like your thread ([url=http://www.914w... Jul 29 2015, 01:10 PM
R_u_dd Blasting
After hours of sanding and slow progress... Jul 29 2015, 10:46 PM
R_u_dd Engine Work
Related Threads:
Christmas in April
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mgp4591 Do you have the cast engine bracket or the other s... Jul 30 2015, 12:28 AM
R_u_dd
Do you have the cast engine bracket or the other ... Jul 30 2015, 10:18 PM
mgp4591
Do you have the cast engine bracket or the other... Jul 30 2015, 10:29 PM
914forme
I thought I'd studied that thread over and o... Aug 1 2015, 07:08 AM
DBCooper
:poke: If you read my thread, I think you will g... Aug 1 2015, 07:55 AM

mgp4591
:poke: If you read my thread, I think you will ... Aug 5 2015, 11:57 PM

DBCooper
Did you sell your Smallcar engine mount after you... Aug 6 2015, 07:45 AM

mgp4591
Did you sell your Smallcar engine mount after yo... Sep 26 2015, 01:59 PM
R_u_dd
[quote name='mgp4591' post='2217009' date='Jul 31... Aug 1 2015, 11:19 AM
914forme The Small Car mounts are pretty robust steel. If ... Jul 30 2015, 11:19 AM
mgp4591
The Small Car mounts are pretty robust steel. If... Jul 30 2015, 10:32 PM
sean_v8_914 that blue 914 pic is at my shop...many years ago. ... Jul 30 2015, 12:53 PM
R_u_dd
that blue 914 pic is at my shop...many years ago.... Jul 30 2015, 10:31 PM
whitetwinturbo Pictures!
:coolpics: Jul 30 2015, 12:55 PM
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Pictures!
:coolpics:
The blue car on post #... Jul 30 2015, 10:29 PM
R_u_dd Battery Tray Area Rehab
Most people might conside... Aug 1 2015, 12:52 AM
R_u_dd Cool Videos
Porsche 914-6 Race Practice At Targa ... Aug 1 2015, 01:41 PM
R_u_dd Electrolysis Gas Tank Cleaning.
Like so many othe... Aug 5 2015, 11:42 PM
R_u_dd Paint Prep and Final Metal Work
After the Bead Bl... Sep 11 2015, 08:33 PM
DBCooper You're doing great work. That's a really ... Sep 11 2015, 09:00 PM
zambezi should have fixed the rust on the inside wheel wel... Sep 12 2015, 09:10 AM
R_u_dd Engine Mount
The inspiration for the engine mount... Sep 26 2015, 11:41 AM
shoguneagle HOW DID THIS THREAD ESCAPE ME? I thought I kinda ... Sep 27 2015, 04:16 AM
R_u_dd
HOW DID THIS THREAD ESCAPE ME? I thought I kinda... Sep 27 2015, 06:12 AM
R_u_dd Radiator
Some background and research:
Radiator ... Sep 27 2015, 07:20 AM
JRust Wow that radiator does look really small. I've... Sep 27 2015, 04:58 PM
R_u_dd
Wow that radiator does look really small. I'v... Sep 27 2015, 05:03 PM
Chris H.
Wow that radiator does look really small. I'v... Sep 27 2015, 07:25 PM
914forme Griffen rates that rad at 600HP with their electri... Sep 27 2015, 05:28 PM
R_u_dd
Griffen rates that rad at 600HP with their electr... Sep 27 2015, 08:17 PM
Mike Bellis I'm worried about your engine mount. My rotary... Sep 27 2015, 07:36 PM
R_u_dd
I'm worried about your engine mount. My rotar... Sep 27 2015, 08:16 PM
Mike Bellis
[quote name='Mike Bellis' post='2244152' date='Se... Sep 27 2015, 08:33 PM
R_u_dd Transmission Mount
From the Subaru 5MT Transmissi... Oct 10 2015, 12:48 PM
76-914 Smart move. :D Your moving right along. Looks lik... Oct 10 2015, 06:02 PM
DBCooper I'd say you're too far. You say it's ... Nov 14 2015, 06:24 PM
R_u_dd
I'd say you're too far. You say it's... Nov 14 2015, 09:04 PM
DBCooper http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i255.... Nov 14 2015, 10:28 PM
R_u_dd
To know about max angles give Sway-a-Way a call.... Nov 14 2015, 11:37 PM
DBCooper That's my son's car. It uses a Coldwater ... Nov 15 2015, 08:16 AM
R_u_dd
Also a WRX but unfortunately the previous owner d... Nov 15 2015, 09:40 AM

DBCooper
Also a WRX but unfortunately the previous owner ... Nov 15 2015, 09:54 AM
R_u_dd
And those Sway-a-ways were later swapped out for ... Nov 15 2015, 07:42 PM
76-914 :agree: Nov 15 2015, 05:03 PM
R_u_dd [size=3]Calculating the Angle of the CV joint.
[u... Nov 15 2015, 10:18 PM
R_u_dd Bumper
The idea with the bumper was to deflect ai... Feb 13 2016, 04:12 PM
ahycaramba I can't wait to see your finished product on t... Feb 16 2016, 03:39 AM
R_u_dd Seats and Interior
After much deliberation, I hav... Feb 13 2016, 04:59 PM
R_u_dd Seats and Re-Upholstery info:
Re-Upholstery-Auto... Feb 13 2016, 09:54 PM
veekry9 I'm glad you like it.
I drew this largemouth l... Feb 14 2016, 12:48 PM
R_u_dd Yes, I really like that look for the form and func... Feb 14 2016, 04:31 PM
veekry9 https://www.gimp.org/
Some people can use a camer... Feb 14 2016, 11:01 PM
R_u_dd Paint Prep Continued...
The metal work and prepar... Feb 28 2016, 10:52 AM
914forme Interesting fender cut outs, I like them Mar 1 2016, 08:01 PM
R_u_dd Yes the radiator vent holes. I figured that the tr... Mar 2 2016, 11:40 PM
whitetwinturbo :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Mar 2 2016, 11:58 PM
R_u_dd Painting Begins
I can't wait to post these ph... Mar 27 2016, 11:01 AM
R_u_dd We got some paint on the panels yesterday and clea... Apr 2 2016, 11:27 PM
ahycaramba Great progress!!! Looking good!... Apr 2 2016, 11:34 PM
R_u_dd
Great progress!!! Looking good!... Apr 2 2016, 11:45 PM
whitetwinturbo :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: Apr 3 2016, 01:46 PM
R_u_dd The big reveal today. Scott finished the logo. H... Apr 6 2016, 10:53 PM
914forme
The big reveal today.
[center][img]http://www.91... Apr 7 2016, 08:43 AM
whitetwinturbo :headbanger: :headbanger: :headbanger: Apr 6 2016, 11:15 PM
Andyrew That looks great!!! Apr 7 2016, 09:15 AM
R_u_dd The painting is almost finished. We cut and buffe... Apr 24 2016, 11:53 PM
R_u_dd Rocker Panels (They look like a pair of skis, don... Apr 25 2016, 09:50 PM
JRust Love the blue bud. I even like the logo you made u... Apr 25 2016, 10:07 PM
R_u_dd
Love the blue bud. I even like the logo you made ... Apr 25 2016, 10:59 PM
JRust Hey it's looking great man. I like the logo li... Apr 25 2016, 11:29 PM
R_u_dd Progress on the Blue Porscheru over the last coupl... Jun 28 2016, 12:53 AM
falcor75 That looks great, love the badge details and the c... Jun 28 2016, 01:12 AM
914forme Cars coming together nicely :popcorn: Jun 28 2016, 09:37 AM
R_u_dd [b]Gauges, Gauges and More Gauges
The original lo... Oct 2 2016, 02:04 PM
76-914
[size=5][b]Gauges, Gauges and More Gauges
The or... Oct 3 2016, 07:59 AM
veekry9
Very nice indeed.
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I like this tre... Oct 2 2016, 02:33 PM![]() ![]() |
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