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BeatNavy
post Feb 17 2015, 05:26 PM
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Getting everything together to install a 2056 into my '72 and swap out the steady, reliable 1.7L I've been running. The 2056 is '73 but came with '74 ECU/MPS combo. The part numbers are 049 on the MPS and 044 on the ECU. Sometimes I'm not sure if I read that ECU/MPS compatibility table on Anders D-Jet site correctly. Is the 049/044 a winning combination?

Also, I've read here that a 2056 really should run with an adjustable MPS. A couple of months ago I converted my 1.7L MPS to adjustable with the Tangerine kit. Any thoughts on whether I could effectively run my MPS (007) just by adjusting it appropriately, or are there other compatibility issues? Or do I need to make that '74 MPS adjustable?

Thanks for the help.
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post Feb 17 2015, 06:42 PM
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As long as:
You have a stock grind cam with your 2056 the 044 ECU is fine.
The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no problem as it can be reset to the 043 specs.
The 007 can be adjusted too to run with the 2056 IIRC

If you have a nonstock cam like a Raby 9550 or a Web73 only the 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 because it doesn't have the inner cast stop ring in the cover which limits the amount of travel/adjustability for WOT

Make sure you have the correct 012 CHT!
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QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 18 2015, 01:42 AM) *

As long as:
You have a stock grind cam with your 2056 the 044 ECU is fine.
The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no problem as it can be reset to the 043 specs.
The 007 can be adjusted too to run with the 2056 IIRC

If you have a nonstock cam like a Raby 9550 or a Web73 only the 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 because it doesn't have the inner cast stop ring in the cover which limits the amount of travel/adjustability for WOT

Make sure you have the correct 012 CHT!


I'm confused now.
I'm just about to put my new engine together.
2056 cc
9590 cam
8,5/1 CR
037 ECU
017 CHT plus Resistor
BUT 043 MPS which I thought can be calibrated like 037 MPS. Is that not possible?
Do I need to look out for a 037 or 049 MPS since the 043 can not be adjusted to that settings?

Thanks,
Frank
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QUOTE(Frank S @ Feb 16 2016, 02:54 AM) *

QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 18 2015, 01:42 AM) *

As long as:
You have a stock grind cam with your 2056 the 044 ECU is fine.
The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no problem as it can be reset to the 043 specs.
The 007 can be adjusted too to run with the 2056 IIRC

If you have a nonstock cam like a Raby 9550 or a Web73 only the 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 because it doesn't have the inner cast stop ring in the cover which limits the amount of travel/adjustability for WOT

Make sure you have the correct 012 CHT!


I'm confused now.
I'm just about to put my new engine together.
2056 cc
9590 cam
8,5/1 CR
037 ECU
017 CHT plus Resistor
BUT 043 MPS which I thought can be calibrated like 037 MPS. Is that not possible?
Do I need to look out for a 037 or 049 MPS since the 043 can not be adjusted to that settings?

Thanks,
Frank


It's easier to adjust a MPS using a 044 ECU out of a 74 than a 037 ECU. You have to have enough room (richness) at the WOT and using a 037 barely has enough. Plus you must have the rare 017 CHT with resistor for the idle to work at all with the 037 ECU.
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QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 16 2016, 03:44 PM) *

QUOTE(Frank S @ Feb 16 2016, 02:54 AM) *

QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 18 2015, 01:42 AM) *

As long as:
You have a stock grind cam with your 2056 the 044 ECU is fine.
The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no problem as it can be reset to the 043 specs.
The 007 can be adjusted too to run with the 2056 IIRC

If you have a nonstock cam like a Raby 9550 or a Web73 only the 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 because it doesn't have the inner cast stop ring in the cover which limits the amount of travel/adjustability for WOT

Make sure you have the correct 012 CHT!


I'm confused now.
I'm just about to put my new engine together.
2056 cc
9590 cam
8,5/1 CR
037 ECU
017 CHT plus Resistor
BUT 043 MPS which I thought can be calibrated like 037 MPS. Is that not possible?
Do I need to look out for a 037 or 049 MPS since the 043 can not be adjusted to that settings?

Thanks,
Frank


It's easier to adjust a MPS using a 044 ECU out of a 74 than a 037 ECU. You have to have enough room (richness) at the WOT and using a 037 barely has enough. Plus you must have the rare 017 CHT with resistor for the idle to work at all with the 037 ECU.


AArgh, I have two working 037 ECU's and always thought the problem is only the 017 CHT which is NLA. I have two NOS units of that...
That means I need to look for a 044 ECU now otherwise my engine will end up idling to rich and run to lean at WOT?
Thanks,
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QUOTE(Frank S @ Feb 16 2016, 07:39 AM) *

QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 16 2016, 03:44 PM) *

QUOTE(Frank S @ Feb 16 2016, 02:54 AM) *

QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 18 2015, 01:42 AM) *

As long as:
You have a stock grind cam with your 2056 the 044 ECU is fine.
The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no problem as it can be reset to the 043 specs.
The 007 can be adjusted too to run with the 2056 IIRC

If you have a nonstock cam like a Raby 9550 or a Web73 only the 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 because it doesn't have the inner cast stop ring in the cover which limits the amount of travel/adjustability for WOT

Make sure you have the correct 012 CHT!


I'm confused now.
I'm just about to put my new engine together.
2056 cc
9590 cam
8,5/1 CR
037 ECU
017 CHT plus Resistor
BUT 043 MPS which I thought can be calibrated like 037 MPS. Is that not possible?
Do I need to look out for a 037 or 049 MPS since the 043 can not be adjusted to that settings?

Thanks,
Frank


It's easier to adjust a MPS using a 044 ECU out of a 74 than a 037 ECU. You have to have enough room (richness) at the WOT and using a 037 barely has enough. Plus you must have the rare 017 CHT with resistor for the idle to work at all with the 037 ECU.


AArgh, I have two working 037 ECU's and always thought the problem is only the 017 CHT which is NLA. I have two NOS units of that...
That means I need to look for a 044 ECU now otherwise my engine will end up idling to rich and run to lean at WOT?
Thanks,
Frank

The 037 ECU was setup for the 72-73 1.7L and Porsche had to make it work for the 73 2.0L as Bosch didn't have enough time to make a 2.0L unit. Hence the 037 MPS and 017 Cht with resistor. Using a 037 ECU is just a lot harder to make work with a 2056cc engine with a Raby cam as it needs a richer mix. So starting with a ECU that already needs a way richer mix means you have little adjustment left on the MPS. Way easier to use a 044 ECU......and it runs and idles better believe me.
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QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 17 2016, 09:45 AM) *

QUOTE(Frank S @ Feb 16 2016, 07:39 AM) *

QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 16 2016, 03:44 PM) *

QUOTE(Frank S @ Feb 16 2016, 02:54 AM) *

QUOTE(Bleyseng @ Feb 18 2015, 01:42 AM) *

As long as:
You have a stock grind cam with your 2056 the 044 ECU is fine.
The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no problem as it can be reset to the 043 specs.
The 007 can be adjusted too to run with the 2056 IIRC

If you have a nonstock cam like a Raby 9550 or a Web73 only the 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 because it doesn't have the inner cast stop ring in the cover which limits the amount of travel/adjustability for WOT

Make sure you have the correct 012 CHT!


I'm confused now.
I'm just about to put my new engine together.
2056 cc
9590 cam
8,5/1 CR
037 ECU
017 CHT plus Resistor
BUT 043 MPS which I thought can be calibrated like 037 MPS. Is that not possible?
Do I need to look out for a 037 or 049 MPS since the 043 can not be adjusted to that settings?

Thanks,
Frank


It's easier to adjust a MPS using a 044 ECU out of a 74 than a 037 ECU. You have to have enough room (richness) at the WOT and using a 037 barely has enough. Plus you must have the rare 017 CHT with resistor for the idle to work at all with the 037 ECU.


AArgh, I have two working 037 ECU's and always thought the problem is only the 017 CHT which is NLA. I have two NOS units of that...
That means I need to look for a 044 ECU now otherwise my engine will end up idling to rich and run to lean at WOT?
Thanks,
Frank

The 037 ECU was setup for the 72-73 1.7L and Porsche had to make it work for the 73 2.0L as Bosch didn't have enough time to make a 2.0L unit. Hence the 037 MPS and 017 Cht with resistor. Using a 037 ECU is just a lot harder to make work with a 2056cc engine with a Raby cam as it needs a richer mix. So starting with a ECU that already needs a way richer mix means you have little adjustment left on the MPS. Way easier to use a 044 ECU......and it runs and idles better believe me.


I believe you and I'm looking for a 044 ECU right now.
Thank you so much for the information you share here to find that out myself would have taken years...
Only thing I didn't understand 100% is: Could I use my 043 MPS and adjust it or must it be a 049 MPS?

Thanks,
Frank
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BeatNavy   ECU/MPS Compatibility for 2056   Feb 17 2015, 05:26 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Hey Rob, I'm no DJet expert but I think there ...   Feb 17 2015, 06:21 PM
BeatNavy   Hi Jeff -- thanks for the reply. Now I see where ...   Feb 17 2015, 06:35 PM
Bleyseng   As long as: You have a stock grind cam with your 2...   Feb 17 2015, 06:42 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no p...   Feb 17 2015, 07:47 PM
914_teener   The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no ...   Feb 17 2015, 09:35 PM
Bleyseng   The 049 can be adjusted to run with the 2056 no ...   Feb 18 2015, 09:00 AM
Frank S   As long as: You have a stock grind cam with your ...   Feb 16 2016, 04:54 AM
Bleyseng   As long as: You have a stock grind cam with your...   Feb 16 2016, 08:44 AM
Frank S   [quote name='Frank S' post='2303674' date='Feb 16...   Feb 16 2016, 09:39 AM
Bleyseng   [quote name='Frank S' post='2303674' date='Feb 1...   Feb 17 2016, 02:45 AM
Frank S   [quote name='Frank S' post='2303719' date='Feb 16...   Feb 17 2016, 09:53 AM
Bleyseng   [quote name='Frank S' post='2303719' date='Feb 1...   Feb 18 2016, 12:26 AM
worn   It's easier to adjust a MPS using a 044 ECU ...   Feb 16 2016, 10:13 AM
BeatNavy   Hi Geoff -- good info, thanks. Cam is stock. Sou...   Feb 17 2015, 06:47 PM
worn   Hi Geoff -- good info, thanks. Cam is stock. So...   Feb 19 2015, 06:25 PM
BeatNavy   So Geoff, would you say my best bet is to either: ...   Feb 18 2015, 09:20 AM
Bleyseng   I have some spacers but you have to take apart the...   Feb 18 2015, 05:52 PM
BeatNavy   I have some spacers but you have to take apart th...   Feb 18 2015, 06:51 PM
Scarlet75   Geoff, Do you have a picture of this spacer? Tha...   Feb 19 2015, 10:52 AM
brant   I'd love to buy a spacer... or if these are al...   Feb 19 2015, 10:56 AM
Phoenix914   :popcorn: Rob, thanks for starting this thread. ...   Feb 19 2015, 11:14 AM
BeatNavy   :popcorn: Rob, thanks for starting this thread....   Feb 19 2015, 01:02 PM
Bleyseng   Pic of inside a early cover showing the cast in st...   Feb 19 2015, 12:06 PM
Scarlet75   Geoff, Other then being cast this way, some MPS ...   Feb 19 2015, 01:44 PM
Racer Chris   I have a spacer in my spare parts collection. Thic...   Feb 19 2015, 01:53 PM
BeatNavy   I have a spacer in my spare parts collection. Thi...   Feb 19 2015, 02:45 PM
Racer Chris   ... Just to be clear though -- I think they...   Feb 19 2015, 04:07 PM
brant   I have a spacer in my spare parts collection. Thi...   Feb 19 2015, 02:49 PM
brant   I'm struggling to visualize this... but I want...   Feb 19 2015, 02:03 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Chris is the Man for this MPS spacer ring, you alr...   Feb 19 2015, 02:52 PM
914_teener   There also was a rumor that the springs are differ...   Feb 19 2015, 06:30 PM
Bleyseng   Springs are differnet between the early and late o...   Feb 19 2015, 06:44 PM
914_teener   Springs are differnet between the early and late ...   Feb 19 2015, 07:45 PM
Bleyseng   [quote name='Bleyseng' post='2149020' date='Feb 1...   Feb 19 2015, 08:14 PM
914_teener   [quote name='Bleyseng' post='2149020' date='Feb ...   Feb 19 2015, 09:52 PM
worn   [quote name='Bleyseng' post='2149020' date='Feb ...   Feb 22 2015, 06:36 PM
barefoot   There are 2 ways to increase fuel flow, everything...   Feb 19 2015, 07:05 PM
Bob L.   There are 2 ways to increase fuel flow, everythin...   Feb 19 2015, 07:33 PM
barefoot   There are 2 ways to increase fuel flow, everythi...   Feb 19 2015, 07:48 PM
Bleyseng   Pic of the 2.0L spacer ring   Feb 22 2015, 05:35 PM
Racer Chris   Pic of the 2.0L spacer ring Pic of many 2.0L spa...   Nov 19 2015, 09:07 AM
914_teener   [quote name='Bleyseng' post='2150304' date='Feb 2...   Nov 19 2015, 12:48 PM
Racer Chris   [quote name='Bleyseng' post='2150304' date='Feb ...   Nov 19 2015, 03:28 PM
BeatNavy   I put the 049 that came with my 2056 into my 1.7L ...   Feb 22 2015, 06:54 PM
Bleyseng   A 007 will work only if you have a late cover as t...   Feb 22 2015, 08:34 PM
BeatNavy   Chris - are you selling these now? So a x049 MPS ...   Nov 19 2015, 09:36 AM
Racer Chris   Chris - are you selling these now? I will be wit...   Nov 19 2015, 09:40 AM
Olympic 1.7   Chris - are you selling these now? I will be wi...   Nov 19 2015, 07:46 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Anders published values are known to be lean.   Nov 19 2015, 10:14 AM
BeatNavy   Anders published values are known to be lean. Re...   Nov 19 2015, 10:50 AM
Jeff Bowlsby   We're those values adjusted for your local eva...   Nov 19 2015, 11:25 AM
BeatNavy   Jeff - I did not adjust for sea level, but I'm...   Nov 19 2015, 11:31 AM
pbanders   I haven't got much to add, Bleyseng and Bowlsb...   Nov 19 2015, 01:15 PM
396   I haven't got much to add, Bleyseng and Bowls...   Nov 19 2015, 01:31 PM
Bleyseng   I haven't got much to add, Bleyseng and Bowls...   Feb 16 2016, 08:48 AM
worn   I haven't got much to add, Bleyseng and Bowls...   Feb 16 2016, 10:09 AM
914_teener   This has been a great thread for my 2056 D-jet bui...   Nov 19 2015, 02:30 PM
BeatNavy   This has been a great thread for my 2056 D-jet bu...   Nov 19 2015, 07:15 PM
saigon71   Great info...following this thread closely as I pl...   Nov 19 2015, 07:41 PM
BeatNavy   I spent a lot of time futzing with my MPS's (I...   Feb 16 2016, 10:29 AM
Philip W.   this might be slightly off topic but involves the ...   Feb 17 2016, 08:06 AM
BeatNavy   Those numbers sited on the Anders' site are ta...   Feb 17 2016, 09:08 AM
Philip W.   Those numbers sited on the Anders' site are t...   Feb 17 2016, 09:46 AM
Philip W.   o.k. so as of today I found only one for sale out ...   Feb 17 2016, 09:55 AM
worn   o.k. so as of today I found only one for sale out...   Feb 17 2016, 10:28 AM
BeatNavy   o.k. so as of today I found only one for sale out...   Feb 17 2016, 10:30 AM
sean_v8_914   awesome thread. thank you   Feb 17 2016, 11:30 AM


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