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ash00
post May 2 2016, 12:15 PM
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Hi All,

After a month and a half of business trips, I finally got to drive my the 1970 914 that I'm still learning about.

One thing is clear, that the restoration was half-assed, and rather than blaming the PO, I have to figure things out the hard way. Hopefully before the fact. I'm trying to not let this leave a bad taste in my mouth of the 914 experience.

The recent issue is overheating. This is my first car in the aircooled world, and the car was equipped with a rebuilt 2.0L with the weber downdraft setup in place of the FI. It runs well when warmed up, but during driving, I can't drive it for more than 10 minutes without the gauge being pegged to the red. I'm hearing things of "false air" and such.

Pardon my ignorance, but I need a place to start looking for info. Is there any documentation or info out there on how the air cooling is managed, and what hardware is there for me to test / check? Any tips are appreciated.

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era vulgaris
post May 4 2016, 11:20 AM
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And this is the thermostatic bellows that controls the flaps. Likely missing since it sounds like you don't have flaps.


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post May 4 2016, 11:33 AM
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Wow, thanks for the great photos! I'm loving this forum already!

Looks like I have a busy weekend ahead of me, but I guess this is one step closer to solving all of the issues of a half-assed restoration. This is why I never trust anybody but myself!

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post May 4 2016, 11:45 AM
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Well, the news gets better.

I just texted the PO:

"as far as I could see the flaps we permanently closed and thermostat removed. A common warm climate (california) modification to help with cooling"

So...doesn't look like its helping much.

I guess the options are:
1) Source out the necessary hardware to get that thermostat / linkage in place

2) Remove the restriction and open the flaps permanently?

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post May 4 2016, 03:55 PM
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I just texted the PO:

"as far as I could see the flaps we permanently closed and thermostat removed. A common warm climate (california) modification to help with cooling"




You should tell the PO that that is pure misinformation. Removing the thermostat and disabling the flaps will accelerate wear on your engine as it takes longer for the engine to warm up and get to operating temp. There is no benefit to cooling. Once the flaps are open, cooling is the same whether they are fixed in the open position or whether they opened via the thermostat.
It's more likely that he couldn't find a thermostat during the restoration, as it's not a readily available part.

I'm assuming that's a typo about the flaps being closed...or he doesn't know what he's talking about. No one would permanently close the flaps. If he did, that's your problem right there.
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post May 4 2016, 04:05 PM
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First off, thanks you all for all the help. Its all making sense now.

I'm definitely going to take some pictures after work and hopefully get more feedback.

Just in my walk over to the shop at lunch, I took a peek and couldn't find the oil pressure switch, instead there is a EMPI oil breather kit, which is tapped from the center oil reservoir on the middle of the cylinder bank. The output of that is looped back into the breather box.

The PO was a vintage car racer, so I assumed he knew what he was doing. I can only assume the worst, and after texting him- he said the flaps were closed permanently. I can't trust anymore after everything else that has gone wrong. I'm trying to understand if there is anyway of inspecting visually, other than no flap shaft between the banks. No thermostat either based on pictures, and I found one on Ebay I might get. It just doesn't sound right when I heard that comment that the flaps were closed.

First off, let me get some pictures.

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ash00   Overheating   May 2 2016, 12:15 PM
Porschef   :wttc: Hey Ash, You might want to check the g...   May 2 2016, 01:18 PM
ash00   Great Idea. i have a fluke with a TC. I'll t...   May 2 2016, 01:29 PM
injunmort   after checking what joe suggested, i would first c...   May 2 2016, 01:35 PM
ash00   Definitely. What should timing be set at?   May 2 2016, 01:37 PM
injunmort   34 degreess btdc fully advanced. good tech articl...   May 2 2016, 01:44 PM
SirAndy   Also make sure your cooling flaps are installed an...   May 2 2016, 02:25 PM
Elliot Cannon   Also make sure your cooling flaps are installed a...   May 3 2016, 05:18 PM
r_towle   Also make sure your cooling flaps are installed ...   May 3 2016, 05:22 PM
boxsterfan   Also make sure your cooling flaps are installed ...   May 4 2016, 09:55 AM
injunmort   i had a rebuilt engine in my dd that had the flaps...   May 2 2016, 02:28 PM
brant   top of my head.... I thought factory timing was s...   May 2 2016, 02:59 PM
injunmort   i think 27 degrees is for stock distributor advanc...   May 2 2016, 03:16 PM
era vulgaris   Since this is your first air cooled car, let me as...   May 2 2016, 03:33 PM
ash00   I appreciate all the help guys! Looks like I...   May 3 2016, 11:34 AM
SirAndy   I have to find what the flaps look like and see i...   May 3 2016, 11:58 AM
ash00   I'm going to check this valve as well. I gu...   May 4 2016, 12:14 PM
era vulgaris   You won't be able to see the actual flaps as t...   May 3 2016, 12:09 PM
ash00   Awesome- that helps. I assume that the flaps are ...   May 3 2016, 02:23 PM
Racer Chris   Awesome- that helps. I assume that the flaps are...   May 3 2016, 02:37 PM
ash00   Well, I had a chance to head to the shop and check...   May 4 2016, 10:23 AM
SirAndy   Well, I had a chance to head to the shop and check...   May 4 2016, 11:14 AM
era vulgaris   Well, I had a chance to head to the shop and chec...   May 4 2016, 11:14 AM
era vulgaris   Awesome- that helps. I assume that the flaps are...   May 3 2016, 04:41 PM
era vulgaris   more   May 4 2016, 11:17 AM
era vulgaris   And this is the thermostatic bellows that controls...   May 4 2016, 11:20 AM
ash00   Wow, thanks for the great photos! I'm lovi...   May 4 2016, 11:33 AM
ash00   Well, the news gets better. I just texted the PO...   May 4 2016, 11:45 AM
era vulgaris   I just texted the PO: "as far as I could ...   May 4 2016, 03:55 PM
ash00   First off, thanks you all for all the help. Its a...   May 4 2016, 04:05 PM
SirAndy   The PO was a vintage car racer That explains a lot...   May 4 2016, 04:10 PM
stugray   It Might still be that none of your oil is getting...   May 4 2016, 12:00 PM
r_towle   If you removed the thermostat, the flaps fall into...   May 4 2016, 03:43 PM
stugray   If you had a $13 USB Endoscope you could look...   May 4 2016, 04:43 PM
ash00   Here are some quick pics that hopefully will he...   May 4 2016, 06:12 PM
r_towle   Well, it looks like you do not have the flappers a...   May 4 2016, 06:39 PM
The Cabinetmaker   Not the easiest job, but the upper cylinders tin w...   May 4 2016, 07:10 PM
ash00   Looks like I need to go into the classifieds and l...   May 5 2016, 08:28 AM
stugray   Looks like I need to go into the classifieds and ...   May 5 2016, 11:16 AM
rhodyguy   1.7 1.8 2.0, the same thermo assem. I've never...   May 5 2016, 09:06 AM
era vulgaris   I've never seen a BB plumbed in that fashion....   May 5 2016, 09:34 AM
ash00   Exactly! I thought the whole point of venting...   May 5 2016, 10:27 AM
SirAndy   How is it breathing without some way to vent? The ...   May 5 2016, 12:13 PM
ash00   Wow- you guys are incredible! I love how supp...   May 5 2016, 12:21 PM
ash00   I have to take a look at the wiring in detail also...   May 5 2016, 12:23 PM
SirAndy   I have to take a look at the wiring in detail also...   May 5 2016, 12:36 PM
ash00   Silly question - I have a full machine shop / wel...   May 5 2016, 02:07 PM
rhodyguy   The foam element in the BB traps the vapors. Oil p...   May 5 2016, 10:35 AM
ClayPerrine   I have lots of sets of cooling flaps for your moto...   May 5 2016, 10:41 AM
Cracker   Man. You AC guys make it so complicated... :blink...   May 5 2016, 12:21 PM
rhodyguy   That is the best way to power your carb pump. The ...   May 5 2016, 02:06 PM
rhodyguy   Get a furniture dolly at Home Depot or the like. B...   May 5 2016, 02:11 PM
Racer Chris   Engine Lift Plate   May 5 2016, 02:25 PM
ash00   HI all, Maybe I'm missing something here, but...   May 6 2016, 04:53 PM
stugray   HI all, Maybe I'm missing something here, bu...   May 6 2016, 05:11 PM
era vulgaris   I think he's just talking about the two main t...   May 6 2016, 05:33 PM
ash00   Yes, sorry for the confusion..just for the tins a...   May 6 2016, 05:45 PM
SirAndy   I don't know if you can just put them in there...   May 6 2016, 06:16 PM
stugray   Yes, sorry for the confusion..just for the tins ...   May 6 2016, 06:46 PM
Porschef   Ash, I'm gonna have to :agree: with all who...   May 7 2016, 08:08 AM
ash00   Totally! I had about a half hour yesterday to ...   May 7 2016, 09:54 AM


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