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> EP 914 on track... finally, Test session, wet
groot
post Sep 1 2004, 09:35 AM
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I used this past weekend's Waterford Hills race as my first test session for the new car.

They threw this picture on the Waterford Hills website. Just thought I'd share it.

(IMG:http://www.waterfordhills.com/gallery/jgr5y0414.jpg)

Learned a lot this weekend, like how some lug nuts don't fit some wheels, how I needed more front flare (notice the flare extensions) and how much I can squeeze out of my Optima before I don't get enough juice to run (no alternator). More learning to come on 11-12 Sept, but this time at Mid-Ohio.
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post Oct 7 2004, 11:19 AM
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Interesting work Kevin.


The rear suspension mods as Chris stated are not for Camber/Toe changes but to get the swinging arm at a better location. When you get the car stiff enough at the rear without this mod, it can become "bound up" because the arm angle is at an upslope (the rear is higher than the front) the compression of the arm can be very odd, and the force of a bump is almost a tension force on the pivot due to the angle. This is not good, also when the pivot remains in the standard location, the shock and spring are in a somewhat cantivlever action, so the spring and compresion valving is somewhat digressive, some tuners compensate this with VERY heavy spring rates, and then the bump compliance is very poor. By moving the points, we can get good bump compliance and proper "movement geometry" for the arm, the result is better tracking of the wheel over bumps, especially on the brakes when the rear is lighter.

I am running an accusump as well as the dry sump, Just something about prelubricating engines before they are started. It's like warming tires prior to use, it's just plain better for you and the tire.

As far as shocks go, I have Bilsteins right now, but have Ohlins for the rear uninstalled and will be getting the Kanna Motorsports front struts with Ohlins Internals. I know what the Bilsteins are all about, so I wanted to tune the chassis using them as a base line, then sell them and develop the Ohlins around the package I have.

As for the front end, I have been looking at several Grand am cars front suspension, as well as some development work I have been doing on my own. I may not have quite as long of front a-arms that you have, but I will be moving the rack and the front a arms up 45-50mm in the chassis and lengthening them 105-125 mm This will not be done until next year when the car gets stripped and rebuilt. I have a couple more cage changes to make for stiffness, but need to see where I am on weight first.

HP:::: I like you! So don't take any offense, You are on HP crack. No way no how. Miata, 230 HP, no bullshit, RX7 well over 210 at the wheels, don't have any crank numbers for that one. But if you factor in the 15 % dyno correction for power at the crank that would leave us at 241.5 , and I think the RX7 13B is all of that and then some. Of course these are peak numbers , but the cars seem to make enough power under the curve as well. The real winner in EP is the Rebello built 240sx and 240z, the Z makes well into 255-260hp and the sx makes better than 250. When they go, gear for gear with the Miata and weigh 350 pounds more, theres more under the hood.

As for me, EP must make 9.25 LBs/hp, So to do that, I will need 210 for 1950 lbs. Now everyone will tell you they have done it, but have they really, or did they build a "cookbook" motor and call it 220 because it had 906 sized parts in the motor. Or a legal to EP specs,using the small carbs, with the small heads ...etc No material addition is the one that kills me, if not I would have already welded and reshaped the combustion chambers to actually burn completely.

What the SCCA does not realize is once that weight is moving, and aero takes over, its only motor pushing from there baby.

My car needs to be clean, mean, well sorted and well driven to have any chance they will change the spec line for me. On a regional level, it should win, on a national level, it won't. But I have hopes the SCCA will come around and make some adjustments. Brakes "S" caliper please, 46 mm carbs with 42 venturis please, "s" 2.0 liter heads with 46mm intake and 42 mm exhaust please, Thats all I ask?



Erik Madsen in search of a Runoffs Birth in 2005
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groot   EP 914 on track... finally   Sep 1 2004, 09:35 AM
seanery   great shot! Looks like fun! :driving:   Sep 1 2004, 09:42 AM
brant   wow, NICE picture brant   Sep 1 2004, 09:45 AM
synthesisdv     Sep 1 2004, 09:58 AM
brant   nother thing... was the car a previous log book c...   Sep 1 2004, 10:05 AM
groot   I ran 3 track sessions and multiple starts in betw...   Sep 1 2004, 10:40 AM
SLITS   Nice looking and mean too!

REAL RACERS DR...   Sep 1 2004, 10:51 AM
theol00   nice car! - what's the wet stuff? :unsure:   Sep 1 2004, 10:54 AM
URY914   That looks nice. Love racing in the rain. Paul   Sep 1 2004, 11:56 AM
brant   Kevin, what is your weight sir? brant   Sep 1 2004, 05:07 PM
Jeroen   Kevin, please post more pics/details of your car. ...   Sep 1 2004, 05:15 PM
d914   ok, I'm being a chicken when it comes to chopp...   Sep 1 2004, 05:17 PM
Aaron Cox   exactly what im doing with the flared roller i got...   Sep 1 2004, 05:20 PM
Racer Chris   Way to go Kevin, Good to see you on track! I n...   Sep 1 2004, 05:24 PM
Jake Raby   Kevin, Looks good! The engine is coming toget...   Sep 1 2004, 05:38 PM
jgiroux67   Nice Car! I like that helmet too.   Sep 1 2004, 11:03 PM
Brad Roberts   I see NO openings for oil coolers or brake ducting...   Sep 2 2004, 12:40 AM
groot   Right headlight is actually mesh, so there's t...   Sep 2 2004, 05:52 AM
Jeroen     Sep 2 2004, 05:58 AM
groot   Thanks. I don't know why I missed that. Ok, h...   Sep 2 2004, 08:35 AM
groot   More pics. I'll post some more "in progress" p...   Sep 2 2004, 08:49 AM
groot   More   Sep 2 2004, 08:49 AM
Jake Raby   Kevin, email me as many asyou can for your page on...   Sep 2 2004, 10:04 AM
groot   I'll put something together tonight and send i...   Sep 2 2004, 10:09 AM
groot   More   Sep 2 2004, 05:24 PM
groot   More   Sep 2 2004, 05:24 PM
groot   more   Sep 2 2004, 05:25 PM
groot   msg   Sep 2 2004, 05:26 PM
Thorshammer   Kevin, Glad to see you made it, and under the bar...   Sep 2 2004, 06:23 PM
groot   Eric, I'm with you on this. Let me know how ...   Sep 3 2004, 05:45 AM
Thorshammer   Kevin, Actually, an FP competitor, Ed Givler from...   Sep 3 2004, 09:01 AM
groot   Great info. Pics would be awesome. I've had ...   Sep 3 2004, 11:06 AM
Thorshammer   Well, Yes and no, I can't stand the way the ...   Sep 6 2004, 06:35 PM
nein14-6   There you all are! I knew there were some mor...   Oct 6 2004, 05:24 AM
nein14-6   On another note, would you all please show me your...   Oct 6 2004, 06:00 AM
URY914   Welcome nein14-6, I saw your car at the '03 P...   Oct 6 2004, 06:18 AM
groot   Cool. Do you run Summit Point and VIR? Scroll up...   Oct 6 2004, 06:31 AM
MJHanna   Taylor is one of the best suppliers I’ve worked ...   Oct 6 2004, 06:43 AM
groot   I've heard nothing but good things about Taylo...   Oct 6 2004, 07:38 AM
nein14-6   Paul, Thanks and Yes, I mostly run at Summit Point...   Oct 6 2004, 08:59 AM
flyloki   Groot- What color is that?   Oct 6 2004, 10:05 AM
Thorshammer   Groot, I am finally making some progress, Hope to...   Oct 6 2004, 11:39 AM
Thorshammer   Engine mount,   Oct 6 2004, 11:41 AM
Thorshammer   Screwed up sorry,   Oct 6 2004, 11:42 AM
Thorshammer   Inside engine compartment trans/engine mount   Oct 6 2004, 11:44 AM
groot   Ford Sonic Blue. It was on the Focus SVT and then ...   Oct 6 2004, 12:19 PM
Thorshammer   EP 2.0 liter six coming at ya big daddy If it wil...   Oct 6 2004, 03:07 PM
Brett W   Hey Eric You got your 6inches of clearence betwee...   Oct 6 2004, 06:02 PM
nein14-6   What is the rule about shifters/ shift linkage in ...   Oct 6 2004, 06:16 PM
Thorshammer   Is that what six inches looks like, Damn, I've...   Oct 6 2004, 06:17 PM
Brad Roberts   I dont have pic on this computer of our flares.. i...   Oct 6 2004, 06:24 PM
Racer Chris   Good to see it coming together finally Erik! (...   Oct 6 2004, 06:24 PM
nein14-6   Thorshammer, what’s your plan on headers?   Oct 6 2004, 06:25 PM
Racer Chris   I just noticed Erik, Your cage looks different tha...   Oct 6 2004, 06:31 PM
Brad Roberts   Erik (got the speeling correct this time) Do you ...   Oct 6 2004, 06:34 PM
Brett W   My rule book is a couple of seasons old but the la...   Oct 6 2004, 06:36 PM
nein14-6   The Oberg is fantastic! It definitely saves yo...   Oct 6 2004, 06:40 PM
Brad Roberts   Yep. I was a little concerned about the 3 inch rai...   Oct 6 2004, 06:40 PM
nein14-6   They lifted the restricted suspension rules and th...   Oct 6 2004, 06:41 PM
Brad Roberts   I normally run the Canton Mecca setup with the pap...   Oct 6 2004, 06:42 PM
Brad Roberts   nein 14... (first give me your name so I dont feel...   Oct 6 2004, 06:43 PM
Brett W   So what is the six stuck with right now? Any rest...   Oct 6 2004, 06:45 PM
Thorshammer   Lets see, Brad, They are 5/8 in every place excep...   Oct 6 2004, 06:55 PM
nein14-6   Sorry, my name is Rob Gordon I think SCCA needs t...   Oct 6 2004, 06:56 PM
Brad Roberts   Thanks Rob, Just trying to keep track of all the...   Oct 6 2004, 06:59 PM
nein14-6   Mark Eschucie makes great headers and builds fast ...   Oct 6 2004, 07:00 PM
Racer Chris     Oct 7 2004, 07:57 AM
groot   I looked into the track change with the rear suspe...   Oct 7 2004, 08:40 AM
groot   BTW... I've heard that about the track differe...   Oct 7 2004, 08:47 AM
groot   Eric, The dry sump cover is awesome. Are you goi...   Oct 7 2004, 09:04 AM
groot   Overhead view... sorry about the shadows   Oct 7 2004, 10:05 AM
groot   jbvnm   Oct 7 2004, 10:05 AM
groot   The two rod ends are held to the strut with a 3/4"...   Oct 7 2004, 10:06 AM
groot   The plate on the vertical wall is used to provide ...   Oct 7 2004, 10:06 AM
groot   This is the forward "a-arm" mount to the body. Wit...   Oct 7 2004, 10:07 AM
Thorshammer   Interesting work Kevin. The rear suspension mods...   Oct 7 2004, 11:19 AM
Jake Raby   I am "dong it" as we speak. Kevin WILL do it in E...   Oct 7 2004, 02:05 PM
Thorshammer   Jake, I hope you did not think I was talking abou...   Oct 7 2004, 03:18 PM
Racer Chris   Nicely done Kevin. It looks very simple. What did ...   Oct 7 2004, 05:43 PM
Powerman   Chris, I was thinking the same thing about the rel...   Oct 7 2004, 06:07 PM
Thorshammer   Chris, Does'nt that apply only if the relocat...   Oct 7 2004, 06:25 PM
Racer Chris  
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Thorshammer   Kevin, If I thought they were unbeatable, I woul...   Oct 8 2004, 09:32 AM
groot   I agree about the potential of the 4 cyl 914 in EP...   Oct 8 2004, 07:01 PM
groot   I, personally, hate getting into a horsepower disc...   Oct 11 2004, 08:20 AM
Thorshammer   Sorry K, Yeah I think I have!. Anyway, the E...   Oct 11 2004, 09:00 AM
groot   I may need that snowplow, too. I threw in a new c...   Oct 11 2004, 09:44 AM
nein14-6   Since you brought up the Production website.... Th...   Oct 11 2004, 10:25 AM

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