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| Mowog4 |
Jun 7 2016, 05:38 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 361 Joined: 2-November 15 From: Mesa AZ Member No.: 19,325 Region Association: None
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I am working on a Subie conversion and am trying to figure out AC. I live in the desert (Phoenix) so AC will add a lot of usability to the car. Ideally I would like to blow air through the existing vents. I have searched a lot on the forum and see a lot of starts, but few functioning units. I am traveling to Texas today so I am going to check out Vintage Air and Old Air Products to see what products they might recommend for me to modify. Plan two is to hit the Pick and Pulls and search for the most compact evaporator I can find.
Any help or general suggestions is greatly appreciated. Thanks Ed |
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| 914_teener |
Aug 11 2016, 07:40 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,270 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
Guys.....evaporators and condensors are not the same thing
I am in the same boat as a recirc air exchange for the evap only as trying to chill ambient air wouldn.t work well. Haven.t done any heat calcs...but that is my quess. Big thing is heat rejection...my quess is there is a lot of heat gain in our little cabins. |
| Mowog4 |
Aug 11 2016, 10:01 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 361 Joined: 2-November 15 From: Mesa AZ Member No.: 19,325 Region Association: None
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Guys.....evaporators and condensors are not the same thing I am in the same boat as a recirc air exchange for the evap only as trying to chill ambient air wouldn.t work well. Haven.t done any heat calcs...but that is my quess. Big thing is heat rejection...my quess is there is a lot of heat gain in our little cabins. Understand the difference between an Evap and condenser, a unit mounted in the cowl, which drew air from the cabin exclusively should work. It is no different than the under dash unit. Both would need an appropriately sized compressor and condenser, but I see know reason why it wouldn't work. |
| 914_teener |
Aug 12 2016, 11:37 AM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,270 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
Guys.....evaporators and condensors are not the same thing I am in the same boat as a recirc air exchange for the evap only as trying to chill ambient air wouldn.t work well. Haven.t done any heat calcs...but that is my quess. Big thing is heat rejection...my quess is there is a lot of heat gain in our little cabins. Understand the difference between an Evap and condenser, a unit mounted in the cowl, which drew air from the cabin exclusively should work. It is no different than the under dash unit. Both would need an appropriately sized compressor and condenser, but I see know reason why it wouldn't work. Oh...I think it will work.....the trick will be on the condensor side or heat rejection so that that ambient temperature "feels" cool. I think the condensing coil will need an assist fan somewhere to get enough heat transfer. Where would be a good place for that? |
| Mowog4 |
Aug 12 2016, 10:42 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 361 Joined: 2-November 15 From: Mesa AZ Member No.: 19,325 Region Association: None
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Guys.....evaporators and condensors are not the same thing I am in the same boat as a recirc air exchange for the evap only as trying to chill ambient air wouldn.t work well. Haven.t done any heat calcs...but that is my quess. Big thing is heat rejection...my quess is there is a lot of heat gain in our little cabins. Understand the difference between an Evap and condenser, a unit mounted in the cowl, which drew air from the cabin exclusively should work. It is no different than the under dash unit. Both would need an appropriately sized compressor and condenser, but I see know reason why it wouldn't work. Oh...I think it will work.....the trick will be on the condensor side or heat rejection so that that ambient temperature "feels" cool. I think the condensing coil will need an assist fan somewhere to get enough heat transfer. Where would be a good place for that? For me the condenser is a no brainier. I am running a Subaru engine with a front mounted radiator, Renegade makes an add on to their kit. So I will have plenty of air flow and an easy way to get heat. |
| 914_teener |
Aug 13 2016, 03:32 PM
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,270 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
Guys.....evaporators and condensors are not the same thing I am in the same boat as a recirc air exchange for the evap only as trying to chill ambient air wouldn.t work well. Haven.t done any heat calcs...but that is my quess. Big thing is heat rejection...my quess is there is a lot of heat gain in our little cabins. Understand the difference between an Evap and condenser, a unit mounted in the cowl, which drew air from the cabin exclusively should work. It is no different than the under dash unit. Both would need an appropriately sized compressor and condenser, but I see know reason why it wouldn't work. Oh...I think it will work.....the trick will be on the condensor side or heat rejection so that that ambient temperature "feels" cool. I think the condensing coil will need an assist fan somewhere to get enough heat transfer. Where would be a good place for that? For me the condenser is a no brainier. I am running a Subaru engine with a front mounted radiator, Renegade makes an add on to their kit. So I will have plenty of air flow and an easy way to get heat. So front mounted "sandwhich" arrangement with the radiator. No assist fans? |
| Mowog4 |
Aug 13 2016, 06:34 PM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 361 Joined: 2-November 15 From: Mesa AZ Member No.: 19,325 Region Association: None
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I am running the Renegade Cooling kit, it has two large electric fans
Guys.....evaporators and condensors are not the same thing I am in the same boat as a recirc air exchange for the evap only as trying to chill ambient air wouldn.t work well. Haven.t done any heat calcs...but that is my quess. Big thing is heat rejection...my quess is there is a lot of heat gain in our little cabins. Understand the difference between an Evap and condenser, a unit mounted in the cowl, which drew air from the cabin exclusively should work. It is no different than the under dash unit. Both would need an appropriately sized compressor and condenser, but I see know reason why it wouldn't work. Oh...I think it will work.....the trick will be on the condensor side or heat rejection so that that ambient temperature "feels" cool. I think the condensing coil will need an assist fan somewhere to get enough heat transfer. Where would be a good place for that? For me the condenser is a no brainier. I am running a Subaru engine with a front mounted radiator, Renegade makes an add on to their kit. So I will have plenty of air flow and an easy way to get heat. So front mounted "sandwhich" arrangement with the radiator. No assist fans? |
Mowog4 Air Conditioning Jun 7 2016, 05:38 AM
Cairo94507 :popcorn: I am looking forward to this project thr... Jun 7 2016, 06:41 AM
76-914 Just went thru this last year, Ed. I couldn't ... Jun 7 2016, 07:46 AM
timothy_nd28 Thanks for taking this on. I also was going to pu... Jun 7 2016, 09:31 AM
wes :popcorn: I'll be watching to as would like t... Jun 7 2016, 09:54 AM
whitetwinturbo :popcorn: :smash: :popcorn: Jun 7 2016, 10:33 AM
Chris914n6 There is a reason I'm going with custom made c... Jun 7 2016, 02:34 PM
Mowog4
There is a reason I'm going with custom made ... Jun 7 2016, 04:44 PM
wes The thought just came to me maybe we should get Ma... Jun 7 2016, 05:03 PM
Chris914n6 That's essentially what I did for the first on... Jun 7 2016, 06:17 PM
draperjojo Now if someone would design an effective condenser... Jun 7 2016, 06:29 PM
MarkV My car came with a/c and I replaced the compressor... Jun 7 2016, 07:59 PM
Mowog4
My car came with a/c and I replaced the compresso... Jun 7 2016, 10:25 PM
amfab
My car came with a/c and I replaced the compresso... Aug 5 2016, 03:01 PM
MarkV The problem is that the fan motor for the unit is ... Jun 7 2016, 11:07 PM
Mowog4
The problem is that the fan motor for the unit is... Jun 8 2016, 09:51 AM
76-914 Not trying to throw a wet towel on this subject bu... Jun 8 2016, 09:30 AM
Mowog4
Not trying to throw a wet towel on this subject b... Jun 8 2016, 09:55 AM
andys You guys might take a look at rear AC units found ... Jun 8 2016, 10:21 AM
ssuperflyoldguy I suggest a Manhattan Project for the "best... Jun 8 2016, 12:38 PM
timothy_nd28 The key thing is getting all this to fit inside th... Jun 8 2016, 01:10 PM
mepstein
The key thing is getting all this to fit inside t... Jun 8 2016, 01:19 PM
ssuperflyoldguy
The key thing is getting all this to fit inside t... Jun 8 2016, 02:09 PM
timothy_nd28 would you be willing to write a check for a metal ... Jun 8 2016, 02:05 PM
mepstein
would you be willing to write a check for a metal... Jun 8 2016, 02:06 PM
dlee6204
The key thing is getting all this to fit inside t... Jun 8 2016, 02:18 PM
914_teener
The key thing is getting all this to fit inside ... Jun 9 2016, 06:50 PM
Chris914n6 I have to chuckle at these last few posts. Everyth... Jun 8 2016, 04:09 PM
Mowog4
I have to chuckle at these last few posts. Everyt... Jun 8 2016, 04:33 PM
timothy_nd28 Chris, I'm losing faith in your project. It... Jun 8 2016, 06:40 PM
Chris914n6
You're going through all this trouble of maki... Jun 11 2016, 03:19 PM
76-914 There are probably 3 or 4 members that could or ca... Jun 9 2016, 04:13 PM
Mowog4
There are probably 3 or 4 members that could or c... Jun 9 2016, 06:13 PM
MoveQik
You are absolutely correct, I am just too stupid... Aug 5 2016, 03:53 PM

Mowog4
You are absolutely correct, I am just too stupi... Aug 5 2016, 04:09 PM
jeffdon
I have played with British cars for years, I can... Aug 6 2016, 09:11 AM
timothy_nd28 I have a friend that owns a small automotive repai... Jun 11 2016, 04:44 PM
mgp4591 BIGKAT 83 designed and installed a Mustang II hybr... Aug 5 2016, 03:37 PM
timothy_nd28 I found the pictures that Jerry West sent to me of... Aug 5 2016, 04:51 PM
Mowog4
I found the pictures that Jerry West sent to me o... Aug 5 2016, 05:07 PM
timothy_nd28 Notice the thermostatic expansion valve (TXV) hang... Aug 5 2016, 05:40 PM
Mowog4
Notice the thermostatic expansion valve (TXV) han... Aug 6 2016, 02:43 PM
McMark I did one in Jamie Rust's car. And I'll be... Aug 5 2016, 07:12 PM
Mowog4
I did one in Jamie Rust's car. And I'll b... Aug 5 2016, 07:28 PM
Series9 I'm in the early planning stages for a custom ... Aug 6 2016, 07:06 AM
914forme There is also another unit out there that a 914er ... Aug 6 2016, 08:33 AM
ClayPerrine [quote name='914forme' date='Aug 6 201... Aug 7 2016, 02:09 AM
914forme
The one I was working on was for my car, not Bet... Aug 7 2016, 07:03 AM
Mowog4 Here is a car I saw on Youtube, it at least gives ... Aug 7 2016, 12:45 AM
76-914
Under dash unit will fit just fine, just don... Aug 7 2016, 09:27 AM
914forme
Under dash unit will fit just fine, just don... Aug 7 2016, 11:10 AM
Bob L. Has anybody tried to build one into the space take... Aug 7 2016, 09:52 PM
Steve
Has anybody tried to build one into the space tak... Aug 7 2016, 10:14 PM
amfab I was wondering if a cool-only system could be cus... Aug 9 2016, 12:45 PM
amfab I measured the console and drew up an idea I had, ... Aug 10 2016, 08:24 PM
Mowog4
I measured the console and drew up an idea I had,... Aug 11 2016, 04:47 PM
914forme I found this, it is one of the Ebay condensersevap... Aug 11 2016, 06:42 PM
Mowog4
I found this, it is one of the Ebay condensers, i... Aug 11 2016, 06:59 PM

914forme
I found this, it is one of the Ebay condensers, ... Aug 11 2016, 07:28 PM

Steve
[quote name='Mowog4' post='2383804' date='Aug 11 ... Aug 11 2016, 10:41 PM
ClayPerrine
I found this, it is one of the [url=http://www.eb... Aug 11 2016, 08:30 PM
914forme Sorry I fixed my miss use of part name in my previ... Aug 11 2016, 07:53 PM
914_teener :beer2:
It.s ok....I.m not trying to troll. Hope... Aug 11 2016, 08:00 PM
914forme No offense taken. Some times my brain might think... Aug 11 2016, 08:10 PM
timothy_nd28 This may be silly, but one could mount a shitload ... Aug 11 2016, 08:55 PM
Bob L.
This may be silly, but one could mount a shitload... Aug 11 2016, 09:14 PM
timothy_nd28 It's a neat device called a TEC or peltier coo... Aug 11 2016, 09:55 PM
Mowog4
It's a neat device called a TEC or peltier co... Aug 12 2016, 09:12 AM![]() ![]() |
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