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| andreic |
Sep 15 2016, 08:43 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 172 Joined: 21-December 15 From: Madison, WI Member No.: 19,479 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Hello,
I have a problem on my newly rebuilt 1.8L engine, with L-Jet. Yesterday as I was driving home the car simply quit about 5 blocks away from home. Until this point it was running very well. I had to have it towed home and now I started trying to diagnose it. So far I've checked that the fuel pump operates when opening the flap in the AFM, so I suspect I got fuel pressure right. The starter spins the engine well. I have strong spark on the main distributor cap wire (coming from the coil), and putting a brand new spark plug into one of the spark plug wires I have spark at that too. (Originally I was too lazy to pull an actual plug from the engine.) But this morning I tried pulling a spark plug from the engine, and it is completely black and covered in carbon. Not wet, just covered in a thick layer of solid black material. I can't check right now whether the spark plug from the engine is fouled badly enough to not give a spark at all, or if it still is OK. (I need to wait for my son to come back in the afternoon to help me, this is a 2-person job.) But assuming the spark plugs are the problem, can somebody offer a guess as to what could have caused the engine to foul the spark plugs so badly and so quickly as to stop the engine while driving? Before that there was no indication something was wrong. Other slightly strange things. a) I've noticed the car burns a lot of gas. I barely get 20 mpg in mixed city/highway driving. b) I have about 600 miles since the rebuild, engine ran well all along. c) The only other issue with the car is that I can not get the idle right: it seems to idle at 1800 rpm most of the time, but if the engine is well warmed up (after about 1/2 hour of driving) or if I hold off the clutch as I come to a stop until the rpm's come down to 900, it'll idle at 900. I've tried two different throttle bodies, thinking it may be the throttle that sticks, but it behaves the same way with both. I started to suspect that the distributor is sticky and does not retard the idle sometimes. Any suggestions, highly appreciated. Thanks, Andrei. |
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| HAM Inc |
Sep 22 2016, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE Could it be that the extra rich fuel caused the cylinder walls to glaze, and then this started afterwards letting oil into the combustion chamber? If so, do I understand correctly that I should first fix the rich condition, and then try to seat the rings by driving it at wide open throttle in too high a gear, so as to have low RPM's? Absolutely. It happens all the time to engines of all ages and overall health. New engines are especially vulnerable to cylinder wash down during the ring break in period. Sometimes repeated heavy full throttle loading will bring ring seal back. Sometimes it won't. Lugging from a standing stop through the gear box and coasting back down in high gear seems to work best. Wash, rinse, repeat. |
andreic Badly fouled spark plugs Sep 15 2016, 08:43 AM
timothy_nd28 Sounds like you may have one or more leaky injecto... Sep 15 2016, 09:13 AM
andreic OK, will do that this afternoon. Sep 15 2016, 04:08 PM
Dave_Darling As I said over on the Bird Board, you're runni... Sep 15 2016, 05:16 PM
injunmort newly rebuilt, check compression, you rings may no... Sep 15 2016, 06:14 PM
andreic Here are 4 photos of the spark plugs that I pulled... Sep 15 2016, 08:58 PM
andreic One more thing, before I launch into the fairly co... Sep 15 2016, 09:00 PM
andreic OK, I went now and checked the CHT sensor. I measu... Sep 15 2016, 09:17 PM
andreic Bump. Anyone else with a suggestion why the L-jet ... Sep 16 2016, 07:17 PM
timothy_nd28 I wouldn't take a chance with a newly rebuilt ... Sep 16 2016, 08:42 PM
Localboy808 Sounds like you really need to do that compression... Sep 16 2016, 08:55 PM
andreic OK, so this is the plan I have, let me know your t... Sep 16 2016, 09:34 PM
mrholland2 Are you using a zinc additive? I thought that was ... Sep 21 2016, 09:51 AM
andreic I should have said that I'll do a fuel pressur... Sep 16 2016, 09:37 PM
Dave_Darling More oil in the sump than you put in is a classic ... Sep 16 2016, 09:47 PM
andreic OK, let's go with the assumption that it is so... Sep 16 2016, 09:59 PM
Dave_Darling
I think I can pull it out and check if it is leak... Sep 17 2016, 10:38 AM
clarkcou I had a similar issue after rebuilding a BMW engi... Sep 16 2016, 10:25 PM
forrestkhaag When I received my 2.2 (built by others), it exhib... Sep 17 2016, 11:15 AM
andreic OK, did more work on the car today, and I am compl... Sep 18 2016, 12:00 PM
andreic I forgot to say what I was planning myself to do t... Sep 18 2016, 12:03 PM
timothy_nd28 Start the car again, unplug one fuel injector conn... Sep 18 2016, 05:15 PM
andreic Thanks, Timothy, I'll try that tomorrow, after... Sep 18 2016, 09:18 PM
porschetub 3 plugs are on the rich side but not real bad ,you... Sep 19 2016, 01:51 AM
Mark Henry Ditch the Castrol oil, stuff is shit in a aircoole... Sep 19 2016, 07:38 AM
andreic OK, I am now officially stumped. Here are the late... Sep 21 2016, 09:45 AM
andreic Well, for now my biggest challenge is figuring out... Sep 21 2016, 09:58 AM
injunmort blue smoke, 125 on each cylinder. still think rin... Sep 21 2016, 10:18 AM
andreic Remember the 125 is with the engine stone cold. It... Sep 21 2016, 10:36 AM
injunmort if they dont seat, cylinder walls glaze allowing b... Sep 21 2016, 12:00 PM
timothy_nd28 Try my test, might be harder now. With one hand o... Sep 21 2016, 01:56 PM
Localboy808 I'm going to throw this out there. I just had ... Sep 21 2016, 02:18 PM
Localboy808 Also I've found in the past that once plugs fo... Sep 21 2016, 02:19 PM
andreic I am not ruling anything out yet, but I have a ver... Sep 21 2016, 03:27 PM
Localboy808
I am not ruling anything out yet, but I have a ve... Sep 21 2016, 04:24 PM
andreic Timothy, I did your test right now. All 4 injector... Sep 21 2016, 03:40 PM
injunmort blue smoke is not uber rich, its uber oil. Sep 21 2016, 03:52 PM
andreic I know that blue smoke is oil being burned. But I ... Sep 21 2016, 04:21 PM
jcd914 914 fuel system is not sealed like newer cars. Whe... Sep 21 2016, 04:26 PM
andreic I will check the fuel pressure in the next few day... Sep 21 2016, 04:53 PM
timothy_nd28 I think it's time to ask your AFM a question. ... Sep 21 2016, 06:52 PM
timothy_nd28 Also, I run these plugs in my 914. They run a tad ... Sep 21 2016, 08:52 PM
andreic Before I start messing up with the AFM (something ... Sep 22 2016, 08:30 AM
timothy_nd28 The fact that your oil level increased since your ... Sep 22 2016, 08:58 AM
injunmort seafoam is a good suggestion, put it in the gas. i... Sep 22 2016, 09:28 AM
HAM Inc Sounds like rich running washed down the cylinders... Sep 22 2016, 09:37 AM
andreic Hello Len and Timothy,
thanks for your thoughts.... Sep 22 2016, 01:21 PM
timothy_nd28 You are correct with the thinking that a potentiom... Sep 22 2016, 02:10 PM
andreic More tests, more confusion. At the suggestion of a... Sep 22 2016, 09:35 PM
andreic And Timothy, I did the measurements you suggested:... Sep 22 2016, 09:41 PM
timothy_nd28 AFM could still be bad. If the flap is seized or h... Sep 22 2016, 10:06 PM
injunmort you need a new engine Sep 23 2016, 05:47 AM
catsltd
you need a new engine
It is freshly rebuilt,I wo... Sep 23 2016, 08:23 AM
Vacca Rabite The oil filler cap? That is not an air leak point... Sep 23 2016, 07:43 AM
timothy_nd28
The oil filler cap? That is not an air leak poin... Sep 23 2016, 10:17 AM
catsltd I have a 1.8L.
If I pull the oil cap,or any other ... Sep 23 2016, 08:00 AM
injunmort oh, not to mention, an air leak would cause a lean... Sep 23 2016, 08:02 AM
earossi I've been looking at your posting and all of t... Sep 23 2016, 08:16 AM
injunmort ^i was also trying to help. at least four diffent ... Sep 23 2016, 08:38 AM
catsltd
^i was also trying to help. at least four diffent... Sep 23 2016, 09:06 AM
Dave_Darling Fuel pressure has also not been tested, despite se... Sep 23 2016, 09:40 AM
The Cabinetmaker How does an injector plug not making good contact ... Sep 23 2016, 09:56 AM
87m491 Not to be too cheeky but have you run it by the re... Sep 23 2016, 10:18 AM
catsltd http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?act...t... Sep 23 2016, 11:39 AM
injunmort aaaand , we changed the shifter knob, the car
runs... Sep 23 2016, 10:21 PM
andreic I see I've ignited quite a few passions with m... Sep 23 2016, 10:39 PM
injunmort the csv, of course, why didnt i think of that? wtf... Sep 23 2016, 11:12 PM
Dave_Darling Cold Start Valve.
--DD Sep 23 2016, 11:24 PM
injunmort ^your going to subscribe to this idiot? Sep 23 2016, 11:28 PM
catsltd
^your going to subscribe to this idiot?
I though... Sep 24 2016, 08:28 AM
euro911 Oh boy ...
:popcorn: Sep 23 2016, 11:31 PM
injunmort after 3pgs now the spark plugs are not firiing,rea... Sep 23 2016, 11:38 PM
Whitney Mic
after 3pgs now the spark plugs are not firiing,re... Sep 24 2016, 10:25 AM
Steve Pratel :WTF: :popcorn: Whats in the water in the midwes... Sep 23 2016, 11:51 PM
euro911 Shouldn't be an issue :confused:
https://ww... Sep 24 2016, 12:03 AM
The Cabinetmaker " I see I've ignited quite a few passions... Sep 24 2016, 07:14 AM
HAM Inc
That much oil in the gas can kill the bearings.
... Sep 24 2016, 07:38 AM
andreic
That much oil in the gas can kill the bearings.
... Sep 24 2016, 08:03 AM
injunmort ^here's your participation trophy thanks for p... Sep 24 2016, 09:13 AM
76-914 Sounds lie you sucked a Sea Gull into the intake o... Sep 24 2016, 09:23 AM
injunmort i love the statement that there is no indication t... Sep 24 2016, 09:34 AM
HAM Inc
i love the statement that there is no indication ... Sep 24 2016, 09:41 AM
The Cabinetmaker I think you mean uni"con"! Sep 24 2016, 09:38 AM
The Cabinetmaker Defending yourself mic? Sep 24 2016, 10:28 AM
Whitney Mic
Defending yourself mic?
:confused:
From what?... Sep 24 2016, 11:33 AM
Bartlett 914 How old is the gas? When did you last fill up? Doe... Sep 24 2016, 10:37 AM
injunmort mic and HAM, have read this whole thread? read pag... Sep 24 2016, 10:50 AM
HAM Inc
mic and HAM, have read this whole thread? read pa... Sep 24 2016, 11:37 AM
Steve Pratel
mic and HAM, have read this whole thread? read pa... Sep 24 2016, 12:00 PM
Whitney Mic
mic and HAM, have read this whole thread? read pa... Sep 24 2016, 12:45 PM
Tbrown4x4 I was going to shy away from this train wreck, but... Sep 24 2016, 10:52 AM
The Cabinetmaker Tbrown, I agree about both your points, but I... Sep 24 2016, 11:15 AM
Steve Pratel Reading through the thread, you have:
1. Black so... Sep 24 2016, 11:29 AM
rhodyguy this one has turned the corner. the comp test seem... Sep 24 2016, 11:48 AM
andreic PROBLEM SOLVED!!
Sorry for the many posts... Sep 24 2016, 12:52 PM
timothy_nd28 Would you mind mailing me your ECU, I repair them.... Sep 24 2016, 01:07 PM
andreic
Would you mind mailing me your ECU, I repair them... Sep 24 2016, 01:28 PM
euro911 Glad to hear you found the problem. Happy motoring... Sep 24 2016, 01:34 PM
Whitney Mic Glad you found the trouble, hope you can get out a... Sep 24 2016, 01:34 PM![]() ![]() |
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