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> Money and motor options, What is a realistic budget and parts list
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post Mar 13 2017, 09:50 PM
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1st off the engine im going for in no way needs to
Be optimised for performance (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)


What is the best combo for just cool reliable running
In socal heat .



Im trying to stay clear of d jet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif)

So carbs or i like cb performance f.i kit but know little actually about it .



What

Crank
Pistons
Rods
Cam
Cyclinder s
Fuel delivery

Etc should i be putting together and what kinda budget windfall
Should i be prepared for .

I know its a sickness but cant be that expensive?

I will use a machine shop to build the motor
That have extensive experience with type 4
So i know thats gonna cost me major $

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914forme
post Mar 19 2017, 09:08 AM
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Class 5 is a different animal and you are correct, the mantra is keep it simple.

I would go after a set of Dells before I went with any weber variants. The Dells have an extra transition circuit in them, make the more linear in the response.

To do a carb system correctly you will also need to find the now rather unobatiuum Mallory Unilite dizzy. Or go with a stand alone coil pack setup.

Don't forget the cam, and headers, the 1.8L heads can be pretty good, 2.0L are better, but have a bunch of problems and finding good ones, next to impossible.

Don't forget headers also. Unless you need heat. I ran just seat heaters in mine, keep the wife happy.

I need to save some coin and get a set of headers on my -6, Chris will be my call.

So again, this would be my build if you can find th pieces to do it.

1.8L
96mm pistons stock bored over, or if you can find round Das go for them. Keith Black Pistons.
Cam depends on EFI or Carb
1.7Litter rockers modified to clear the 911 swivel foot adjusters.
valve train geometry set, some times stock rods are dead on, it is odd, I got lucky.
Solid spacers on the rocker arms
Do not vent the heads, if they ae vented plug them.
EFI D-jet you have to keep the stock dizzy, everything else will be dependent on what you do.
Header If you need heat, SS heat exchangers, tubing slightly bigger than stock, and a 2.0L banana, you can make them into a sport muffler if you want dual pipes hanging out back. Or rally and cap two or one depending on what your doing.
Better oil pump, or dry sump it Street you can keep the simple stock setup, though I would make it full flow.

I am a huge fan of EFI, and have considered changing my -6 over, but the cost of TBs have keep me from doing that currently. I am running a coil pack independent ignition system from Simple Digital Systems called the CPI. Why because my 914-6 came with a Mallory Dizzy, can't find the parts, I have a Bosch, but figured why mess with points, confessors, and compromise.

If you want to do EFI, It is as simple as stock intake runners, and using modern components to replace the aging D-jet stuff, as discussed here all read. Or you can go individual runner TBs, but a single TB in a common manifold is a very good system for a street car, and it is quite.

So now the key is pull the trigger and do something anything really. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) We can build these things in our heads millions of times over it is getting out and doing that separates you from the rest of the pack.

Some people are died in the wool think Porsche VW engineers where the best and would only build the best they could. That is true when given free rein and no budget, unfortunately the 914 was built to be sold as a mass produced car, lots of compromises. So it is your turn to make the car the best version you want it to be. If that is dropping a slightly warmed over type-4 cool, if it is a -6, cool, if it is a subaru, or LS, or even a TDI, I say cool go for it. It is your ride enjoy it, make it your own, just make it.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Last two paragraphs was also for me, to get off my ass today and spend some time in the shop, building the -6.
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thelogo   Money and motor options   Mar 13 2017, 09:50 PM
thelogo   Im looking for air cooled type 4 And basically...   Mar 13 2017, 09:54 PM
Mueller   I think McMark does the 2056 for about $5k , ...   Mar 13 2017, 10:25 PM
thelogo   I think McMark does the 2056 for about $5k ,...   Mar 13 2017, 10:54 PM
Dave_Darling   A sock 1.7 should hold up just fine under darned n...   Mar 13 2017, 10:29 PM
thelogo   A sock 1.7 should hold up just fine under darned ...   Mar 13 2017, 10:47 PM
mgphoto   A sock 1.7 should hold up just fine under darned...   Mar 14 2017, 09:39 AM
Dave_Darling   Do i rebuild a separate 1.7 and swap in Wait ...   Mar 14 2017, 10:58 AM
Chris914n6   Depends on what you are starting with. 66mm or 71...   Mar 13 2017, 10:56 PM
Larmo63   Look for a complete 2.0 core, tear it down to a lo...   Mar 13 2017, 10:57 PM
struckn   Most people won't get what I'm saying but ...   Mar 14 2017, 08:45 AM
mepstein   Another option is a WTB request. Every year, many ...   Mar 14 2017, 09:02 AM
Tom_T   Since you're in SoCal .... I'm not sure ...   Mar 14 2017, 10:01 AM
thelogo   :toke: :worship: Sound advice d.d Im happy ...   Mar 14 2017, 04:41 PM
Mueller   :toke: :worship: Sound advice d.d Im happy...   Mar 14 2017, 04:59 PM
thelogo   [quote name='thelogo' post='2464191' date='Mar 14...   Mar 14 2017, 06:40 PM
thelogo   :toke: :worship: Sound advice d.d Im happ...   Mar 14 2017, 06:42 PM
Mike D.   How do you fuck up a single carb :WTF: You d...   Mar 14 2017, 07:03 PM
thelogo   How do you fuck up a single carb :WTF: You ...   Mar 14 2017, 10:00 PM
struckn   [quote name='Mike D.' post='2464240...   Mar 16 2017, 01:27 PM
Mueller   [quote name='Mike D.' post='2464240...   Mar 16 2017, 03:50 PM
914sgofast2   The answer to building a good engine with the Djet...   Mar 16 2017, 05:03 PM
thelogo   The answer to building a good engine with the Dje...   Mar 16 2017, 09:24 PM
struckn   Alright I have to respond to the question above. H...   Mar 16 2017, 05:11 PM
Mueller   [quote name='thelogo' post='2464191...   Mar 14 2017, 08:09 PM
JamesM   :toke: :worship: Sound advice d.d Im happy...   Mar 18 2017, 12:25 PM
thelogo   Do or dont get me wrong djet is great If they ...   Mar 14 2017, 09:50 PM
Dave_Darling   Carbs are universally understood by mechanics al...   Mar 14 2017, 10:23 PM
Mueller   $3000 for the CB Performance EFI, and that do...   Mar 14 2017, 10:31 PM
thelogo   $3000 for the CB Performance EFI, and that d...   Mar 14 2017, 11:20 PM
Mueller   $3000 for the CB Performance EFI, and that ...   Mar 14 2017, 11:44 PM
AZBanks   How does the D-jet and other 914 FI systems pick u...   Mar 14 2017, 11:50 PM
falcor75   How does the D-jet and other 914 FI systems pick ...   Mar 15 2017, 12:28 AM
BeatNavy   How does the D-jet and other 914 FI systems pick ...   Mar 15 2017, 03:52 AM
barefoot   How does the D-jet and other 914 FI systems pick ...   Mar 15 2017, 05:35 AM
Mark Henry   Cheap (ish) FI I'd go with a fresh 914 2.0 205...   Mar 15 2017, 06:25 AM
Dave_Darling   Oh, look! A spammer has joined us! --DD   Mar 15 2017, 09:56 AM
AZBanks   The reason I asked is because I have a business pa...   Mar 15 2017, 10:05 AM
Mark Henry   The reason I asked is because I have a business p...   Mar 15 2017, 12:16 PM
Mueller   The reason I asked is because I have a business p...   Mar 15 2017, 12:25 PM
914forme   A few years ago I would have said sell it, spend t...   Mar 15 2017, 02:50 PM
thelogo   A few years ago I would have said sell it, spend ...   Mar 15 2017, 03:27 PM
Mueller   A few years ago I would have said sell it, spend...   Mar 15 2017, 09:00 PM
thelogo   So other then L-jet You could say there is no ...   Mar 16 2017, 12:11 AM
914forme   Okay well if you insist. Take a 1.7 or 1.8L, I wo...   Mar 16 2017, 02:07 PM
thelogo   Okay well if you insist. You can spend some seri...   Mar 16 2017, 04:27 PM
Mueller   True bumper sticker I just saw; "I'd rat...   Mar 16 2017, 06:00 PM
struckn   Forgot to mention My 2V Weber has an Electric Chok...   Mar 16 2017, 07:27 PM
mepstein   If you find a more reliable, affordable, bolt on s...   Mar 17 2017, 06:31 AM
thelogo   If you find a more reliable, affordable, bolt on ...   Mar 17 2017, 03:45 PM
Mueller   If you find a more reliable, affordable, bolt on...   Mar 17 2017, 05:58 PM
thelogo   [quote name='thelogo' post='2465093' date='Mar 17...   Mar 17 2017, 08:21 PM
Mueller   I'm not going to lie, if I stumbled upon a pai...   Mar 17 2017, 09:14 PM
thelogo   I'm not going to lie, if I stumbled upon a pa...   Mar 17 2017, 10:15 PM
rdauenhauer   :agree:   Mar 17 2017, 07:05 AM
thelogo   :beer3: Purr Meow :toke: :wavebye:   Mar 17 2017, 08:25 PM
AZBanks   My next engine upgrade. http://www.oreillyauto.co...   Mar 17 2017, 10:34 PM
Robnxious   My next engine upgrade. http://www.oreillyauto.c...   Mar 18 2017, 01:45 PM
rush   Does anyone know of a available L jet system 4 sal...   Mar 18 2017, 11:17 AM
Mark Henry   Does anyone know of a available L jet system 4 sa...   Mar 18 2017, 12:48 PM
914forme   Carbs, Best drivability are Dellortos 36mm for yo...   Mar 18 2017, 12:26 PM
thelogo   Carbs, Best drivability are Dellortos 36mm for y...   Mar 19 2017, 12:41 AM
mgphoto   [quote name='914forme' post='2465325' date='Mar 1...   Mar 19 2017, 08:24 AM
914forme   Class 5 is a different animal and you are correct,...   Mar 19 2017, 09:08 AM
Dave_Darling   If you do go with a single-carb setup, consider he...   Mar 19 2017, 01:51 PM
porsche913b_sp   :type:   Mar 19 2017, 05:01 PM


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