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| larryM |
Jul 5 2017, 11:13 AM
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emoze ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 891 Joined: 1-January 03 From: mid- California Member No.: 65 Region Association: Northern California
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just got Gooding's 914 book (Enthusiast's Guide, 2016), which has some interesting historical stuff on the 916 & GT cars;
it prompts this question: (which probably requires the knowledge of you few 914 folks with Germany roots or current contacts to those who worked at Zuffenhausen in the '69-71 time period) When did the factory begin development of the 916 variant? i.e., start on the design of the different body components & chassis improvements, and decide on the powertrain, etc?? and when were the first prototyped "new" components begun & finished for trial fit on the the prototype chassis? (and where were they made? (?-Werks-1? - or ?) Who was responsible for the decision to do the 11 finished cars for the Paris show (October 1971)? (edit update: looking at http://916.dingianni.org/Info/, we see that 4 916s were finished & gone to new owners prior to that Paris Show date, so Gooding's statement is a bit misleading) and who decided to kill 'em? inquiring minds want to know TIA |
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| carr914 |
Jul 5 2017, 07:26 PM
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Interesting questions Larry. IIRC the welded steel roof of the 916 was a stiffness carryover from the 914-6GT racers, but don't recall where I read that before (i.e.: from which 914 history book). Tom /////// according to the Gooding book , the GT had a "steel reinforced top" (- first time i have ever seen that stated, but it may always have been in plain sight, eh?) I believe i actually have that GT "steel reinforced top" "On Oct 5, 2010, LarryM wrote: > Guys - I recently discovered an interesting difference between the top that was fitted to my car in Germany and "standard" 914 tops that we are all familiar with > > the discovery came when i recently decided to replace the rear & side seals on my GT top and to also seal & prep a USA 914-4 top for casual uses > > i drilled a couple pilot holes to help locate the new rubber > > I discovered that there is a metal insert perimeter frame sandwiched into the fiberglass on my GT top > > more drilling revealed that the USA top has no such metal perimeter inside it, > > and I noticed that the Germany GT top is much heavier than the USA top, > > my Germany GT top weighs 22 lb - the usa top weighs 15 lb > my Germany GT top is thicker - fiberglass averages 1 mm thicker at all points > So I am wondering if this top was an early solution to adding stiffness for racing, or a prototype for the 916, before they decided to weld steel tops to the 916 (or both?) - [i]it is quite clearly molded the same way as the common 914-4 tops > > - Dworazik - who "built" my car, had Werks-1 insider access to the other 916 pieces which he installed on the car, so maybe this top was designed and molded for the GT's as a competition piece ???"[/i] uh,oh: now i need to plow thru the "Info-Sports-Purposes" to see if it was ID'd as a competition component Here are Two Pictures of a Factory Brace (been chasing it for years!) ![]() ![]() and a similar Brace on the Brumos IMSA Championship Car ![]() ![]() ![]() and here is the A Pillar Brace that is needed ( Nurburgring 84 Hour Car) ![]() |
| larryM |
Jul 5 2017, 09:21 PM
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Here are Two Pictures of a Factory Brace (been chasing it for years!) and here is the A Pillar Brace that is needed ( Nurburgring 84 Hour Car) OK that shoots down my theory about my car's perimeter reinforced top as a race car component - what i have is a "one-off" that seems to have come out of a factory mold no mention any top reinforcements appear in the Info for Sports Purposes 1972 publication - poked around on Armando's site & apparently the "roof reinforcement" was not of any interest in anyone's photo-shoot documentation of the GT's - the search continues |
| SirAndy |
Jul 5 2017, 09:30 PM
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Resident German ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 42,469 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Here are Two Pictures of a Factory Brace (been chasing it for years!) and here is the A Pillar Brace that is needed ( Nurburgring 84 Hour Car) OK that shoots down my theory about my car's perimeter reinforced top as a race car component - the search continues Installing the roof brace on a GT at Porsche ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) NOTE: This one seems to be welded, not bolted Attached image(s)
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larryM 916 development question Jul 5 2017, 11:13 AM
SirAndy Well, the first 916 had a regular 914-6 VIN which ... Jul 5 2017, 11:27 AM
larryM OK - so the 916 parts were clearly done & avai... Jul 5 2017, 04:31 PM
Tom_T Interesting questions Larry.
I look forward to se... Jul 5 2017, 11:33 AM
larryM
Interesting questions Larry.
IIRC the welded ste... Jul 5 2017, 03:13 PM
mepstein Larry - you have a very cool car. Jul 5 2017, 03:28 PM
Tom_T Larry,
The folks who own (owned) any of those 916... Jul 5 2017, 03:40 PM
larryM
Installing the roof brace on a GT at Porsche ...
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larryM the 914 in general was "Piëch's baby... Jul 5 2017, 09:16 PM
eitnurg
That 'A-pillar brace' is of interest. An... Jul 6 2017, 12:20 AM
SKL1 First issue of 000 had a long article on the two 9... Jul 6 2017, 12:43 AM
gulf908 Get the second Carrera RS book
It has a good sized... Jul 6 2017, 01:29 AM
larryM ah, i never figured a book on 911 RS's would b... Jul 6 2017, 09:37 PM
Racer Price killed the 916 from a marketing side - it wo... Jul 6 2017, 03:58 PM
gms It was Ferdinand Piëch early in 1971, he is one o... Jul 6 2017, 10:56 PM
Tom_T
It was Ferdinand Piëch early in 1971, he is one ... Jul 7 2017, 01:02 PM
Gustl The 916s did have all leather interior
some have ... Jul 7 2017, 02:59 PM

Tom_T
The 916s did have all leather interior
some have... Jul 7 2017, 04:18 PM

Gustl Wasn't that leather interiors with fabric seat... Jul 8 2017, 01:02 AM

Tom_T
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mepstein
It was Ferdinand Piëch early in 1971, he is one... Jul 7 2017, 04:19 PM

Tom_T
[quote name='Tom_T' post='2503899' date='Jul 7 20... Jul 7 2017, 04:53 PM

Tom_T
[quote name='mepstein' post='2503984' date='Jul 7... Jul 8 2017, 11:17 AM
SirAndy at $16000 in 1973 dollars, which was maybe ar... Jul 7 2017, 06:22 PM
Tom_T
at $16000 in 1973 dollars, which was maybe a... Jul 7 2017, 08:36 PM
SirAndy
This is interesting, i wonder if the original m... Jul 7 2017, 10:16 AM
Racer Don't forget... the DM was getting less and le... Jul 7 2017, 05:17 PM
JmuRiz
Don't forget... the DM was getting less and l... Jul 7 2017, 07:25 PM
burton73 Will someone please tell the story of this 916 in ... Jul 8 2017, 12:03 PM![]() ![]() |
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