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> 916 development question, for the historians with German roots
larryM
post Jul 5 2017, 11:13 AM
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just got Gooding's 914 book (Enthusiast's Guide, 2016), which has some interesting historical stuff on the 916 & GT cars;

it prompts this question:
(which probably requires the knowledge of you few 914 folks with Germany roots or current contacts to those who worked at Zuffenhausen in the '69-71 time period)

When did the factory begin development of the 916 variant?

i.e., start on the design of the different body components & chassis improvements, and decide on the powertrain, etc??

and when were the first prototyped "new" components begun & finished for trial fit on the the prototype chassis?

(and where were they made? (?-Werks-1? - or ?)

Who was responsible for the decision to do the 11 finished cars for the Paris show (October 1971)?
(edit update: looking at http://916.dingianni.org/Info/, we see that 4 916s were finished & gone to new owners prior to that Paris Show date, so Gooding's statement is a bit misleading)

and who decided to kill 'em?

inquiring minds want to know

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post Jul 6 2017, 10:56 PM
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It was Ferdinand Piëch early in 1971, he is one of the most underrated members of the family.
One popular misconception is that they were reject 914/4 bodies, this is NOT true the Karmann numbers indicate that they were late 1971 914/6 chassis.
The Prototype (Brutus) was just restored at AA with help from Steve Gaglione.


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QUOTE(gms @ Jul 6 2017, 09:56 PM) *

It was Ferdinand Piëch early in 1971, he is one of the most underrated members of the family.
One popular misconception is that they were reject 914/4 bodies, this is NOT true the Karmann numbers indicate that they were late 1971 914/6 chassis.
The Prototype (Brutus) was just restored at AA with help from Steve Gaglione.


Hey Glen,

Didn't they recently show "Brutus" at Amelia earlier this year or 2016?

I thought I read somewhere that it won some award at Amelia. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

IIRC they were intended to be priced higher than the $12-14K noted above - at $16000 in 1973 dollars, which was maybe around $250,000 today with inflation - which would be a hard sell for a top dog Boxster/Cayman even today.

The 916s did have all leather interior & quite a few other upgrades over a fully optioned 914-6 - beyond just the engine & chassis improvements, but as noted above - it competed with their top dawg 911S, & may have even out-sold them if given the chance - assuming they could squelch the NARP tag!

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QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jul 7 2017, 12:02 PM) *
at $16000 in 1973 dollars, which was maybe around $250,000 today with inflation - which would be a hard sell for a top dog Boxster/Cayman even today.

You're off there by quite a bit.

$16k in 1972 would be about $94k today.
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 7 2017, 05:22 PM) *

QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jul 7 2017, 12:02 PM) *
at $16000 in 1973 dollars, which was maybe around $250,000 today with inflation - which would be a hard sell for a top dog Boxster/Cayman even today.

You're off there by quite a bit.

$16k in 1972 would be about $94k today.
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Read my explanation above Andy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

And yes, there was also DM to Dollar devaluation all thru the 1970's adding to it.

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larryM   916 development question   Jul 5 2017, 11:13 AM
SirAndy   Well, the first 916 had a regular 914-6 VIN which ...   Jul 5 2017, 11:27 AM
larryM   OK - so the 916 parts were clearly done & avai...   Jul 5 2017, 04:31 PM
Tom_T   Interesting questions Larry. I look forward to se...   Jul 5 2017, 11:33 AM
larryM   Interesting questions Larry. IIRC the welded ste...   Jul 5 2017, 03:13 PM
mepstein   Larry - you have a very cool car.   Jul 5 2017, 03:28 PM
Tom_T   Larry, The folks who own (owned) any of those 916...   Jul 5 2017, 03:40 PM
carr914   Interesting questions Larry. IIRC the welded st...   Jul 5 2017, 07:26 PM
larryM   Here are Two Pictures of a Factory Brace (been ch...   Jul 5 2017, 09:21 PM
SirAndy   Here are Two Pictures of a Factory Brace (been c...   Jul 5 2017, 09:30 PM
larryM   Installing the roof brace on a GT at Porsche ... ...   Jul 5 2017, 10:58 PM
larryM   the 914 in general was "Piëch's baby...   Jul 5 2017, 09:16 PM
eitnurg   That 'A-pillar brace' is of interest. An...   Jul 6 2017, 12:20 AM
SKL1   First issue of 000 had a long article on the two 9...   Jul 6 2017, 12:43 AM
gulf908   Get the second Carrera RS book It has a good sized...   Jul 6 2017, 01:29 AM
larryM   ah, i never figured a book on 911 RS's would b...   Jul 6 2017, 09:37 PM
Racer   Price killed the 916 from a marketing side - it wo...   Jul 6 2017, 03:58 PM
gms   It was Ferdinand Piëch early in 1971, he is one o...   Jul 6 2017, 10:56 PM
Tom_T   It was Ferdinand Piëch early in 1971, he is one ...   Jul 7 2017, 01:02 PM
Gustl   The 916s did have all leather interior some have ...   Jul 7 2017, 02:59 PM
Tom_T   The 916s did have all leather interior some have...   Jul 7 2017, 04:18 PM
Gustl   Wasn't that leather interiors with fabric seat...   Jul 8 2017, 01:02 AM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='2503980' date='Jul 7 20...   Jul 8 2017, 10:23 AM
mepstein   It was Ferdinand Piëch early in 1971, he is one...   Jul 7 2017, 04:19 PM
Tom_T   [quote name='Tom_T' post='2503899' date='Jul 7 20...   Jul 7 2017, 04:53 PM
Tom_T   [quote name='mepstein' post='2503984' date='Jul 7...   Jul 8 2017, 11:17 AM
SirAndy   at $16000 in 1973 dollars, which was maybe ar...   Jul 7 2017, 06:22 PM
Tom_T   at $16000 in 1973 dollars, which was maybe a...   Jul 7 2017, 08:36 PM
SirAndy   This is interesting, i wonder if the original m...   Jul 7 2017, 10:16 AM
Racer   Don't forget... the DM was getting less and le...   Jul 7 2017, 05:17 PM
JmuRiz   Don't forget... the DM was getting less and l...   Jul 7 2017, 07:25 PM
burton73   Will someone please tell the story of this 916 in ...   Jul 8 2017, 12:03 PM


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