OT: Dutch democracy compromised... |
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OT: Dutch democracy compromised... |
Jeroen |
Nov 2 2004, 08:50 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
A truely sad day for all Dutch
Today movie maker, columnist and chain-smoker Theo van Gogh was murdered He was known and feared for his strong critizism and his blunt and harsh statements that he spewed when ever he got the chance. Often shocking his "opponenents" Van Gogh had a very stong opinion about the way muslims-funtamentalists suppress women and how they condem gays. In an ultimate attempt to shut him up, he was brutally excecuted in Amsterdam this morning. He was shot 6 times and then a letter was pinned to his dead body with 2 knives The killer was captured after a shoot-out with the police. He is an immigrant from Marocco and aparently a muslim-extremist. Van Gogh paid the ultimate price for what he believed in the most: the freedom of speech |
dmenche914 |
Nov 4 2004, 12:05 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,212 Joined: 27-February 03 From: California Member No.: 366 |
mike Z, there is no election year dirty tricks here, i did not miss quote you, I simply asked for clarification on a statement you made. The statement seemed so crazy if interpitated wrongly that I had to ask, seeing as you brought it up about hilter. I am glad it is clarified.
Now how would you have solved the iraq problem, or if you believe it was not a problem, let us know why???? From you hitler train statement would it be wrong to assume you think we should have left saddam alone? Is that what you ment to imply? Lets have some ideas on how you think the problem should have been solved, if invading was the wrong thing to do? There are some parellels here with hitler. The french trusted him, the brits via chamberlin said peace in our time. even stalin signed a treaty with hilter. All believed in the fairy godmother, and that things would be ok, and no reason to risk war to stop hitler. I know hindsight is perfect, but now we must have foresight to stop some bad guys, We have a list, and their home addresses, and we are working on that list now. A pity if we stop before the job is done, and allow a terror sponsor state to get a nuke. Will future generations look back on us like we see the french for caving to hilter, hell he was right next door, and they did nothing until it was too late. Maybe the french liked the idea of timely trains. Hell if it weren't for the USA entering the war, I bet all the french trains would still be running on time. Also if destroyed german pride was a reason for the rise of hilter, and i will accept that premiss, then what explains the peace we achieved in europe for the last 60 years??? We beat them, disbanded the nazi party, tried and executed the war criminals, and still have troops over there. As far as winning back iraqis, less than three years from start of war, the iraqi's are farming thier own army and police forces, we are giving control to them, talk about pride. Not only that, in WWII we tried the nazis we captured. I iraq we have turned over saddam to be tried by iraqi's, all this less than three years after start of war. Good grief, talk about a fast turn over to control. Iraqi elections in two months??? (after Afganistan had elections already!!!!) As near as I can tell, we are following the post WWII model of rebuilding after a war, and we are doing it faster then back then. Yes there is a danger of a WWI style problem, but only if we acted french, and demainded repairations, and such, no way, we have told the iraqi's that the oil belongs to them, we are setting up schools, and hospitals, all at a rate faster than what happened in WWII germany. Iraq is working out like WWII, not WWI. Good parellel you have drawn, wrong conclusion however. |
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