OT: Dutch democracy compromised... |
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OT: Dutch democracy compromised... |
Jeroen |
Nov 2 2004, 08:50 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
A truely sad day for all Dutch
Today movie maker, columnist and chain-smoker Theo van Gogh was murdered He was known and feared for his strong critizism and his blunt and harsh statements that he spewed when ever he got the chance. Often shocking his "opponenents" Van Gogh had a very stong opinion about the way muslims-funtamentalists suppress women and how they condem gays. In an ultimate attempt to shut him up, he was brutally excecuted in Amsterdam this morning. He was shot 6 times and then a letter was pinned to his dead body with 2 knives The killer was captured after a shoot-out with the police. He is an immigrant from Marocco and aparently a muslim-extremist. Van Gogh paid the ultimate price for what he believed in the most: the freedom of speech |
ThinAir |
Nov 4 2004, 12:05 PM
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Best friends Group: Members Posts: 2,543 Joined: 4-February 03 From: Flagstaff, AZ Member No.: 231 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(dmenche914 @ Nov 4 2004, 10:41 AM) Ideas? Suggestions??? In my opinion, we are doing exactly what we would eventually have needed to do in Iraq, but we are in trouble because we were so impatient to do it that we did not build the international alliance that is required to actually get the job done. It's easy to make jokes about the French, but they are one of the countries with a much longer history in Middle East affairs than the U.S. and we should have listened much longer and harder to what the Europeans were saying. We did the easy part, winning the war, without any apparent plan to win the peace because we cut ourselves off from some of our best sources for putting together just such a plan. To me, we erred when we stood before the world and proclaimed over and over than Iraq had weapons of mass destruction while refusing to show any credible evidence of such. When other nations didn't just climb on board, we walked away from them. I believe that we should have used this argument instead: "Sadaam is bad and a dictator who kills his own people and seeks to export terror if not restrained. He's a Hitler in the making (if not already there). We've been keeping him hemmed in with sanctions and armed air patrols for 10 years, but the U.S. and the world cannot afford to keep this up forever. We need to bring it to a conclusion by either getting believable assurance of compliance or getting rid of Sadaam. We cannot adequately fight the war on terror without freeing up the resources that are being used to keep Iraq's government in check." It's not short and clean like WMD so maybe it doesn't sell very well, but it's the only basis on which I could support going into Iraq. The problem we have is that because we went in virtually alone, we now have to solve it virtually alone. Without humbling ourselves and going back to those we chose to ignore, I don't know how we'll get it done. |
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