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[Jeroen]

A truely sad day for all Dutch
Today movie maker, columnist and chain-smoker Theo van Gogh was murdered

He was known and feared for his strong critizism and his blunt and harsh statements that he spewed when ever he got the chance. Often shocking his "opponenents"
Van Gogh had a very stong opinion about the way muslims-funtamentalists suppress women and how they condem gays.

In an ultimate attempt to shut him up, he was brutally excecuted in Amsterdam this morning. He was shot 6 times and then a letter was pinned to his dead body with 2 knives

The killer was captured after a shoot-out with the police. He is an immigrant from Marocco and aparently a muslim-extremist.

Van Gogh paid the ultimate price for what he believed in the most: the freedom of speech

[dmenche914]

And give up all our rights to an UN??? The big five, I guess would have included the Soviets? We were to give up are arms and trust them???

The world would be a worse place under that world government. besides if no one had an army, who could stop a bad guy from forming an army?
Would this UN thing be able to stop terrorists?

would I have freedoms as in my Bill of Rights?

This is a pipe dream, best left in the ashtray.

Our leaders back them did not cede our power, our freedom to the UN, and good thing we were not that foolish. Very nice idea on paper, but it would not have worked with Stalin a good member in standing.

How long would this world peace UN idea have lasted?

The first time that this world army UN would try to tell Stalin to stop killing his own people, Stalin would say bug off, and then the World UN would have to bring up an army to defeat the Red Army, or would the UN decide to ignore Soviet abusses, after all the Soviets would be one of the Big Five charter members, wouldn't want to piss them off, it would ruin the whole wolrd UN idea, and thus the ideals of this World UN would be ignored, and freedom for the Soviet dissendent would be sacrificed for the greater world UN.

That how I figure this idea would have panned out.

We need to get over the idea that all nations can live in peace, and disputes worked out by UN diplomates. As long as there are bad guys, people that do not hold the ideals laid out in the American Bill of Rights, and our Consitution (some free nations have simular laws that would work) we can not expect to live in peace, and all the worlds people will not be free. You do not remove bad guys by elevating these dictators to seats on the UN.
This is the main reason that the UN has been such a failure. The UN tries to comprimise between the good, and the bad, and what you get is bad.

Sorry, but that is one reason why I think the USA would have rejected such a plan if offered.

The USA and a few other nations (very few) are the worlds hope of freedom. A handful of good intentioned free nations cannot bring freedom to the world by working thru an UN that is full if member dictators, communists, and such. We need to be on our own to do what is best for us, and frankly what is best for us is to promote freedom world wide, the UN has not been the way to do that, cause most of the member nations do NOT believe in freedom. Freedom world wide is our best security, and morally it is the thing to do, that is if you truely believe in Americas constitiution, bill of rights, and declaration.

Do you believe that ALL men are created equal and have inalienable rights of life, liberty, pursuit of happieness? If so then lest clean up the bad guys.