OT: Dutch democracy compromised... Options

[Jeroen]

A truely sad day for all Dutch
Today movie maker, columnist and chain-smoker Theo van Gogh was murdered

He was known and feared for his strong critizism and his blunt and harsh statements that he spewed when ever he got the chance. Often shocking his "opponenents"
Van Gogh had a very stong opinion about the way muslims-funtamentalists suppress women and how they condem gays.

In an ultimate attempt to shut him up, he was brutally excecuted in Amsterdam this morning. He was shot 6 times and then a letter was pinned to his dead body with 2 knives

The killer was captured after a shoot-out with the police. He is an immigrant from Marocco and aparently a muslim-extremist.

Van Gogh paid the ultimate price for what he believed in the most: the freedom of speech

[dmenche914]

Sir Andy, we did supply stuff a long time ago to saddam, after all he was fighting Iran, which hated us. So now we have gotten smarter, that is for sure, We are not suppling arms to a dictator to take out another one for us. Instead we are taking on the dictator directly,

For france, the problem is they were getting around the embargo, and taking bribes from Iraq. I am not saying we never did such a thing, however if france was doing that, while we were putting together an allinece to take out saddam, and the opposition to this was saying wait for france, wait for france, we need france on board, give them more time, well you can see that would not work, france was on the take with saddam, we at this time, could not wait for france, cause france was not on our side.

Yes we have made some mistakes, but what we are doing now is right.

I see where you are coming from, no solutions, no explaination on how you would have done it different. You just give excuses and complaints, complaints about what we did years ago, but nothing on how you would solve it. I really thought you would have some ideas worth debating, guess not.

By the way even if I had protested in the streets years ago about the gassing of the iranians or kurds, it would have not stopped it, the only thing that stopped saddam was invasion. So Sir Andy are you saying we should have invaded Iraq years ago, but since we did not do it then, we should not do it now?

I am beginning to think you will not have any logical arguement to give, nor suggestion on how you would have done it better. You told us what you aren't but have not told us what you are.

How would you stop terror states that are trying to get the a-bomb???

1. Invade
2. Give them uranium, and ask them only to use it peacefully?
3. Sign a treaty with them, and trust them?
4. Give them tons of money to reduce poverty, the cause of all wars and terror (according to UN types, not me).

the way I see it we have abunch of little hitlers in the world, all trying to get an a-bomb, or even just train pilots to hit skyscrapers.

i say kill them before they get us. what is your plan?