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> Turbo for a 914..., this may work
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post Nov 9 2004, 01:33 PM
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Check www.ststurbo.com they put it away from the engine. I would think it would have a big turbo lag. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Nov 10 2004, 07:01 PM
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Hmmm, I guess you've been reading different books than I have.
According to Bob Tomlinson in turbomania (a book about turbocharging air cooled flat 4 engines) he states that long duration is a negative because it allows some of the charge to go out the exhaust with no benefit. He says anything over 270 degrees is too much. Corky Bell agrees with that statement in principle. I can't say much more except I've BTDT with good results.

BTW I never, ever had a problem with the oil getting hot in the turbo and I ran it much harder than short AX laps. I never, ever saw the temp guage get near the red zone. Maybe it did for Mark, I'll have to check with him on that. Last I remember he did say that the oil temp got near the red mark during a rally in the middle of a very hot Atlanta summer. That is the only time I ever, ever heard of that engine getting hot. If he was having problems he didn't mention it.
This car did not have anything more than a stock oil cooler. Maybe if you increase the horsepower a bunch you might need an aux. oil cooler? Big surprise there, who woulda thunk? He and I discussed that very point before he bought the car. It was one of those things I eventually planned to do but was in no hurry because frankly I felt it did not need one in so Cal.

Can you provide some information to what you used to make the statements on the cam? Particularly higher duration and lobe centers as it applies to air cooled flat 4 engines. I'd be interested in reading that.

Heat generated from boost is heat of compression. Nothing more and it is not flexible. it varies only with density, humidity, etc.
Obvoisly 10 psi will generate less intake temperature than 15 to 20. I don't see your point there.

Have you driven a turbocharged 914 with a type 4 engine?

Others have done it with great sucess, they used the stock cams and had very boost happy motors.
If it works it works.
I'm a little confused at your statement that it takes too much to make a type 4 boost happy. Can you provide more details of what you think it takes?
Granted you can't make a type 4 like a twin turbo supra engine or nissan skyline, that isn't the point and only a fool would even contemplate such a concept.
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spare time toys   Turbo for a 914...   Nov 9 2004, 01:33 PM
Mueller   same basic design/idea of how Ben M., iamchappy, ...   Nov 9 2004, 02:03 PM
Jake Raby   Lag can be compensated for with the right combo...   Nov 9 2004, 04:20 PM
airsix   Lag is simply a function of heat loss, not tube le...   Nov 9 2004, 06:38 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   :o   Nov 9 2004, 06:42 PM
SLITS   ...   Nov 9 2004, 06:49 PM
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TimT   heh, lag.... just keep the engine revved and you...   Nov 9 2004, 06:56 PM
redshift   Nor will you have to worry about heater fans! ...   Nov 9 2004, 07:11 PM
914forme   Nice Old school Crown turbo system, thou I did not...   Nov 9 2004, 07:14 PM
Jake Raby   Just gear it like a damn Dirtbike and no sweat...   Nov 9 2004, 07:15 PM
redshift   WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE! :lol: M   Nov 9 2004, 08:17 PM
Jake Raby   Yes, sir....... :wacko:   Nov 9 2004, 08:29 PM
airsix   <...   Nov 9 2004, 09:57 PM
Jake Raby   Have Fun! You are starting from a solid base. ...   Nov 9 2004, 10:01 PM
airsix   ...   Nov 9 2004, 10:16 PM
Jake Raby   Hell, I take risks all the time, thats how i found...   Nov 9 2004, 10:27 PM
Brett W   When you want to get serious about boost get a Sub...   Nov 9 2004, 11:07 PM
airsix     Nov 9 2004, 11:42 PM
mattillac   what would be a reasonable amount of boost for a ...   Nov 10 2004, 12:04 AM
Jake Raby   That stock cam is the big limiting factor, since i...   Nov 10 2004, 12:07 AM
mattillac   any cam suggestions to help? 6 psi seems like such...   Nov 10 2004, 12:13 AM
Jake Raby   That cam really does suck.. How are you feeding t...   Nov 10 2004, 12:41 AM
mattillac   i've been looking into megasquirt pefi with ig...   Nov 10 2004, 10:07 AM
!   <...   Nov 10 2004, 10:19 AM
Brett W   Yeah the stock engine is not raelly suited for the...   Nov 10 2004, 10:26 AM
Mueller     Nov 10 2004, 10:48 AM
andys   Well, that Crown Engineering drawing brings back s...   Nov 10 2004, 11:45 AM
mattillac   well i have to do a valve adjust every 3,000 miles...   Nov 10 2004, 12:52 PM
ClayPerrine     Nov 10 2004, 05:49 PM
Brett W   There was a 95mm Ni-Resist ring available for the ...   Nov 10 2004, 05:59 PM
Sammy   Hmmm, I guess you've been reading different bo...   Nov 10 2004, 07:01 PM
mattillac     Nov 10 2004, 07:32 PM
Brett W  
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Jake Raby   Sammy, That book was written for the Type I engine...   Nov 10 2004, 07:46 PM
airsix  
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Brad Smith   Speaking of "special heads..." What exactly IS av...   Nov 11 2004, 08:54 AM
iamchappy   Dont get caught up in all the technical hype just ...   Nov 11 2004, 09:45 AM
Jake Raby   Special heads?? Like these? http://www.aircooledt...   Nov 11 2004, 09:45 AM
Sammy   LOL, much of the same arguments against turbochar...   Nov 11 2004, 12:17 PM
Jake Raby   Most are just cheap asses period, thats why I have...   Nov 11 2004, 12:28 PM
JmuRiz   Yep, just like those. I can't wait to see the...   Nov 11 2004, 12:37 PM
andys   Well, I have to say I agree with some of the previ...   Nov 11 2004, 02:02 PM
Jake Raby   The trick with Turbo is a nice flowing exhaust por...   Nov 11 2004, 02:46 PM


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