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> Show me your roll cage to suspension tower bracing, ..and other bracing/stiffening you've done
naro914
post Oct 26 2018, 08:33 AM
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with all the work we're doing on Papa Smurf, one of big pieces of the development is tying the roll cage to the rear and front suspension points, plus doing tubing to strengthen other points around the car.

Would like to see how people run the tubes from the roll cage, through the fire wall or window, through the engine compartment area, into the rear trunk to the shock towers. We have things in the way there, but will move around if needed....

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post Oct 27 2018, 08:06 PM
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If I were doing the chassis, I would cut the current "roll cage" out altogether. I know its a pain in the ass, but there are way too many compromises in said "roll cage".

There is no lateral brace connecting the a-piillar bars at the door bar intersection and the main hoop door bar intersection. This will lead to a collapse inward should you take a hit in the door bar. The door bars will simply fold the cage up like a wet noodle. That looks like an Autopower type cage. Very old and poor design.

Once you pull the dash out of the car you can push the a-pillar bars further out to properly support the front of the car. Then build a proper dash bar supports and triagulates the door bars, with the A-pillars, and the strut tower bars. You will want to go through the firewall and connect the shock towers to the a-pillars, and you want to come down to the base of the a-pillar bars to keep the front of the car from folding into your feet.

As for the rear suspension you want to connect the rear shock towers to the main hoop and connect the rear suspension mounting points to the main hoop. The rear suspension mounts flex terribly and tying them into the roll cage will make the car more comfortable to drive.
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naro914   Show me your roll cage to suspension tower bracing   Oct 26 2018, 08:33 AM
Mr. Olympic Blue 2 You   Good luck with the refresh Bob!   Oct 26 2018, 12:33 PM
Chi-town   That style cross brace in the halo will collapse i...   Oct 26 2018, 01:11 PM
naro914   Nice...I could use that rotisserie...   Oct 26 2018, 01:27 PM
Brett W   If I were doing the chassis, I would cut the curre...   Oct 27 2018, 08:06 PM
Heater Guy   with all the work we're doing on Papa Smurf, ...   Nov 3 2018, 03:13 PM
Krieger   Check out my F-914 build in my signature. I have C...   Nov 7 2018, 12:20 AM
Brett W   That cage is of questionable legality for SCCA and...   Nov 8 2018, 07:35 PM
Brett W   That cage is of questionable legality for SCCA and...   Nov 8 2018, 07:35 PM
ChrisFoley   RE: Show me your roll cage to suspension tower bracing   Nov 9 2018, 09:20 AM
mlindner   Here's mine Bob. Best, Mark   Nov 17 2018, 08:08 PM
mlindner   One more shot of the passenger compartment before ...   Nov 17 2018, 08:34 PM
campbellcj   Here is a car I saw (I think) at a VARA event last...   Nov 18 2018, 09:29 AM
Heater Guy   with all the work we're doing on Papa Smurf, ...   Dec 4 2018, 07:41 PM
naro914   This cage is legal for SCCA. Just removed it fro...   Dec 4 2018, 08:01 PM
Heater Guy   This cage is legal for SCCA. Just removed it fr...   Dec 4 2018, 08:05 PM
naro914   ^^ah. thanks   Dec 4 2018, 08:06 PM
ChrisFoley   Without a full width main hoop crossbar that cage ...   Dec 5 2018, 06:12 AM
naro914   That’s what my cage crossbar is like and it’s ...   Dec 5 2018, 07:31 AM
ChrisFoley   That’s what my cage crossbar is like and it’s...   Dec 5 2018, 07:35 AM
naro914   That’s what my cage crossbar is like and it’...   Dec 5 2018, 08:40 AM
Heater Guy   [quote name='ChrisFoley' post='2671242' date='Dec...   Dec 5 2018, 03:30 PM
Heater Guy   [quote name='naro914' post='2671256' date='Dec 5 ...   Dec 5 2018, 03:51 PM
Chi-town   Then the Tech inspector wasn't doing his job. ...   Dec 5 2018, 09:53 AM
naro914   Then the Tech inspector wasn't doing his job....   Dec 5 2018, 02:33 PM
naro914   Recommended, not required. We can’t put a knee b...   Dec 5 2018, 03:59 PM
campbellcj   Recommended, not required. We can’t put a knee ...   Dec 5 2018, 06:17 PM
brant   agreed with Chris knee bars go inside the dash an...   Dec 6 2018, 11:03 AM
Brett W   Yup, you need a better fabricator. Proper dash ba...   Dec 9 2018, 11:14 AM
stownsen914   Definitely want a dash bar and a horizontal bar ac...   Dec 9 2018, 11:00 PM
brant   Definitely want a horizontal bar across middle or...   Dec 10 2018, 11:57 AM
naro914   OK then, can someone show pictures of their knee b...   Dec 10 2018, 07:15 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   My knee bar is almost touching the lower part of t...   Dec 10 2018, 08:36 AM
ChrisFoley   Forward hoops which penetrate the stock dash are g...   Dec 10 2018, 09:22 AM
brant   Ours:   Dec 10 2018, 09:59 AM
Brett W   Sounds like your seat is pushed too far forward or...   Dec 10 2018, 11:31 AM
naro914   Nadine sits with the seat as far forward as she ca...   Dec 10 2018, 11:43 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   My knee bar, from Tangerine.   Dec 10 2018, 01:33 PM
Brett W   Too low, Nadine is now an amputee. That design wo...   Dec 10 2018, 09:15 PM
GregAmy   Good morning! Just catching this thread, wante...   Dec 11 2018, 08:56 AM
Heater Guy   Good morning! Just catching this thread, want...   Dec 11 2018, 11:40 AM
Chi-town   @GregAmy - Thank you for the post and clarificati...   Dec 11 2018, 09:14 AM
ThePaintedMan   :agree: Greg nailed it. Which also makes me re-thi...   Dec 11 2018, 10:53 AM
sixnotfour   I cut the dash so the knee bar would be higher......   Dec 11 2018, 12:16 PM
GregAmy   The orange historics car has a Foley cage from ...   Dec 11 2018, 12:44 PM
naro914   Just met with my fabricator and he had already pla...   Dec 12 2018, 11:29 AM
Heater Guy   Just met with my fabricator and he had already pl...   Dec 12 2018, 12:28 PM
naro914   It must be realized that, for one reason or anoth...   Dec 12 2018, 01:00 PM
Heater Guy   It must be realized that, for one reason or anot...   Dec 12 2018, 01:14 PM
GregAmy   Agree. Monthly SCCA Fast Tracks can sometimes driv...   Dec 12 2018, 01:24 PM
Brett W   Plus double row "NASCAR" style door bar...   Dec 13 2018, 07:30 AM
Chi-town   Apparently not, because he chose the second worse...   Dec 13 2018, 09:02 AM
GregAmy   There are a lot of different designs that people u...   Dec 13 2018, 10:24 AM
Brett W   I understand what he is talking about. In order f...   Dec 13 2018, 09:20 AM
mlindner   Here's mine, I'm six foot, never a problem...   Dec 16 2018, 05:50 AM
Beechhousegarage   Working on a T45 cage by Custom Cages UK, Attachme...   Apr 20 2019, 01:48 PM
Beechhousegarage   another view   Apr 20 2019, 01:50 PM
GregAmy   Is that cage above being built to a specific sanct...   Apr 20 2019, 07:34 PM
Beechhousegarage   Is that cage above being built to a specific sanc...   Apr 21 2019, 10:56 AM
GregAmy   For reference, I'm an SCCA scrutineer. What c...   Apr 21 2019, 02:15 PM
GregAmy   Just a quick follow up that I forgot to mention. ...   Apr 21 2019, 02:31 PM
Beechhousegarage   Thanks Greg! I may have been a little stubbor...   Apr 21 2019, 05:39 PM
Beechhousegarage   RE: Show me your roll cage to suspension tower bracing   Apr 21 2019, 05:42 PM
GregAmy   :beer2:   Apr 21 2019, 07:53 PM


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