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> New 914 rear wheel bearing, No to very little grease from manufacture
Luke M
post Apr 10 2019, 12:05 PM
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So, I just purchased a set of New FAG wheel bearing (made in Germany) so I can install a set of the later (74-89) 911 rear hubs on my 914 control arms.
I saw a few you tube videos about how the bearings for the Boxster where being shipped with little to no grease in them. I figured before I install them to check the grease. Well sure enough one side had little grease and the other side had very little to no grease on the bearings. I should've taken a few pics but didn't have my phone handy. I still have another new bearing to inspect so I'll take pics of that one. I'm sure it will be the same way. Now to go pick up some grease and repack them.


So if anyone of you out there plan on replacing your rear bearing I would inspect them.

Here's a handy video which shows how to do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9P1R2clGAU

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post Apr 11 2019, 08:17 AM
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Bearings don't need much "lube" to run for long periods of time especially if the loads are light and they are light in road going vehicles. Race cars pulling high lateral G's for long periods of time are another story.

What kills bearings the fastest are things like vibratory loads and false brinelling. False brinellling can easily occur on race cars that are tied down too tightly in trailers and then proceed to vibrate or oscillate the bearings with no rotary motion.

https://www.ntnglobal.com/en/products/care/...e/fretting.html

Any reputable OEM has pretty good quality control checks in place to ensure grease is put into the bearing. More applicable to new bearings. NOS predates my involvement with the bearing suppliers. Grease flow meters are built into the line. Bearing won't move to next station and/or line stops if flow meters don't register grease injection. Vision systems look for presence of bearings, cages, and grease otherwise no-go. There may even be a visual check by a real human prior to seal installation.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) still can happen though but it is rare.

Bad information on interwebz (including me - (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) ) is statistically more likely than a mainstream OEM kicking out thousands upon thousands of bad bearings.

Food for thought.
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post Apr 11 2019, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(Superhawk996 @ Apr 11 2019, 08:17 AM) *

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/stromberg.gif) still can happen though but it is rare.

Bad information on interwebz (including me - (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) ) is statistically more likely than a mainstream OEM kicking out thousands upon thousands of bad bearings.

Food for thought.


You're a real Woody Woodpecker... a trouble maker. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)

All I can speak for is what I saw. I opened what should have been two identical bearings and found significant differences in the amount of grease inside. I agree about not trusting what you find on the Interwebs, but what I found with only two bearings fit perfectly with what the "Interweb experts" were saying.

In the video you posted, you'll notice the guy who opens the bearing says that one actually looks pretty good but has more grease than other ones he opened which indicates he's seen the same variability I found in only opening two.. My first bearing I opened had about this same amount of grease and i also thought it looked okay. But the second one, no way.

The vid in the original post is a good tutorial on opening the bearings, but I would say the bearing he opened had adequate grease. It seems to me the area he points out with "no grease" would have been lubricated after the first few rotations of the bearing. On one that I opened, one whole side (bearing cage and race) was completely dry and I think there is a good chance you could be driving at speed for some time before any of the stingy amount of grease on the other side found its way over.

Obviously my observation isn't definitive and I'm no expert, but from what I, and others have seen, I think at least a quick inspection before installing these bearings is time well spent.
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Luke M   New 914 rear wheel bearing   Apr 10 2019, 12:05 PM
914Sixer   Luke, Are those the ones I sent? They were old st...   Apr 10 2019, 12:09 PM
Luke M   Luke, Are those the ones I sent? They were old s...   Apr 10 2019, 02:47 PM
mepstein   I’ll check mine before I install. They need grea...   Apr 10 2019, 12:19 PM
Superhawk996   Don't want to rehash this whole topic. Brent ...   Apr 10 2019, 04:10 PM
914Sixer   I now wonder how much is ENOUGH.   Apr 10 2019, 08:46 PM
Superhawk996   :evilgrin: That is the question isn't it. T...   Apr 11 2019, 04:47 AM
mepstein   I wondered after seeing the boxster video if it wa...   Apr 11 2019, 05:29 AM
Luke M   The other thing that I noticed with the grease is ...   Apr 11 2019, 06:11 AM
bbrock   You have to scroll down to the second one I opened...   Apr 11 2019, 07:16 AM
Superhawk996   :stir: Bearings don't need much "lube...   Apr 11 2019, 08:17 AM
bbrock   :stromberg: still can happen though but it is ra...   Apr 11 2019, 09:20 AM
Superhawk996   :stir: The other thing to keep in mind for you g...   Apr 11 2019, 08:45 AM
Superhawk996   :Qarl: And to think - I started off never intend...   Apr 11 2019, 09:54 AM
bbrock   :Qarl: And to think - I started off never inten...   Apr 11 2019, 11:10 AM
Superhawk996   In the spirit of Laurel and Hardy. jzNbCWBJsSg   Apr 11 2019, 12:04 PM
KELTY360   In the spirit of Laurel and Hardy. jzNbCWBJsSg...   Apr 11 2019, 02:11 PM
Luke M   I got around to repacking the bearings today. I op...   Apr 11 2019, 05:30 PM
bbrock   I got around to repacking the bearings today. I o...   Apr 12 2019, 11:21 AM
worn   So, I just purchased a set of New FAG wheel beari...   Apr 11 2019, 07:26 PM
shane   This is probably a dumb question but it’s not my...   Apr 11 2019, 08:17 PM
davep   There is a good possibility that there is a bearin...   Apr 12 2019, 10:25 AM
Morph914   Out of curiosity I took apart my old one that appe...   Apr 12 2019, 01:15 PM
Superhawk996   :stir: :dance:   Apr 12 2019, 01:16 PM
Superhawk996   Any of you guys checking the bearing grease on you...   Apr 12 2019, 01:24 PM
bbrock   Any of you guys checking the bearing grease on yo...   Apr 12 2019, 01:38 PM
Superhawk996   :rotfl: :stir: The other thing that drastical...   Apr 12 2019, 02:34 PM
Superhawk996   Out of curiosity what type of Honda? Im curious w...   Apr 12 2019, 02:41 PM
bbrock   Out of curiosity what type of Honda? Im curious ...   Apr 12 2019, 02:52 PM
Superhawk996   Can’t tell for sure but it appears from YouTube ...   Apr 12 2019, 03:32 PM
bbrock   but I assume you are AWD given your location. ...   Apr 12 2019, 05:53 PM
Superhawk996   "I would assume the factory trained mechanics...   Apr 12 2019, 06:16 PM
Superhawk996   :evilgrin: Not done yet. Bearing pre-load, or ...   Apr 12 2019, 06:35 PM
mepstein   We hired two techs from Honda. I don’t think the...   Apr 12 2019, 07:34 PM
bbrock   Good info. Might be true about Honda techs but we...   Apr 12 2019, 10:03 PM
mepstein   Good info. Might be true about Honda techs but w...   Apr 13 2019, 05:40 AM
bbrock   Good info. Might be true about Honda techs but ...   Apr 13 2019, 08:48 AM
Superhawk996   @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showu...   Apr 13 2019, 07:15 AM
bbrock   Brent, I just want to be completely transparent t...   Apr 13 2019, 08:56 AM
mepstein   I used to use light oil on the bearings of my trac...   Apr 13 2019, 08:37 AM


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