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> Show me your roll cage to suspension tower bracing, ..and other bracing/stiffening you've done
naro914
post Oct 26 2018, 08:33 AM
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with all the work we're doing on Papa Smurf, one of big pieces of the development is tying the roll cage to the rear and front suspension points, plus doing tubing to strengthen other points around the car.

Would like to see how people run the tubes from the roll cage, through the fire wall or window, through the engine compartment area, into the rear trunk to the shock towers. We have things in the way there, but will move around if needed....

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post Apr 21 2019, 02:15 PM
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For reference, I'm an SCCA scrutineer.

What caught my eye on this was that the rear braces do not appear to go up to within 6" of the top of the main hoop. The purpose of those rear bars is to ensure the integrity of the main hoop in case the world turns upside down on you. The braces you have there will support the bottom half of the main hoop, but that leaves the top half vulnerable to collapse.

There are two ways to resolve this:

- Run rear tubes that start within 6" of the top of the main hoop, and run the tubes through a polycarbonate rear window; see second part of GCR 9.4.c.2.e, quoted below.

- If you don't want to run a poly rear windows, then follow first half of GCR 9.4.c.2.e that you quoted above, by adding plates to attach the cage to shoulder harness mounting points and adding a Petty Bar, from the top of the cage just to the right side of the driver's head (with sufficient clearance) down to the mounting plate for the right front leg.

The first option is the more common and traditional method for "real" race cars, and allows you to continue that tube to strategic rear points on the chassis; that's the way my race car was built by Chris Foley. See attached.

But maybe it's a dual-mission car and you don't want to run poly rear glass and/or cut into the car? Then you can use a Petty bar and the additional tab mounts as required. That Bar can also be sleeved to make it removable for the dual-mission, just ensure you make some kind of padded cap to go over the studs for safety in a road accident.

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Alternatively, the rear window may be removed and a clear, lexan replacement
installed. The rear cage braces may pass through this replacement window and through the engine cover or bodywork to allow connection to the frame or unibody. Such allowances shall be noted on the car’s specification line.


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naro914   Show me your roll cage to suspension tower bracing   Oct 26 2018, 08:33 AM
Mr. Olympic Blue 2 You   Good luck with the refresh Bob!   Oct 26 2018, 12:33 PM
Chi-town   That style cross brace in the halo will collapse i...   Oct 26 2018, 01:11 PM
naro914   Nice...I could use that rotisserie...   Oct 26 2018, 01:27 PM
Brett W   If I were doing the chassis, I would cut the curre...   Oct 27 2018, 08:06 PM
Heater Guy   with all the work we're doing on Papa Smurf, ...   Nov 3 2018, 03:13 PM
Krieger   Check out my F-914 build in my signature. I have C...   Nov 7 2018, 12:20 AM
Brett W   That cage is of questionable legality for SCCA and...   Nov 8 2018, 07:35 PM
Brett W   That cage is of questionable legality for SCCA and...   Nov 8 2018, 07:35 PM
ChrisFoley   RE: Show me your roll cage to suspension tower bracing   Nov 9 2018, 09:20 AM
mlindner   Here's mine Bob. Best, Mark   Nov 17 2018, 08:08 PM
mlindner   One more shot of the passenger compartment before ...   Nov 17 2018, 08:34 PM
campbellcj   Here is a car I saw (I think) at a VARA event last...   Nov 18 2018, 09:29 AM
Heater Guy   with all the work we're doing on Papa Smurf, ...   Dec 4 2018, 07:41 PM
naro914   This cage is legal for SCCA. Just removed it fro...   Dec 4 2018, 08:01 PM
Heater Guy   This cage is legal for SCCA. Just removed it fr...   Dec 4 2018, 08:05 PM
naro914   ^^ah. thanks   Dec 4 2018, 08:06 PM
ChrisFoley   Without a full width main hoop crossbar that cage ...   Dec 5 2018, 06:12 AM
naro914   That’s what my cage crossbar is like and it’s ...   Dec 5 2018, 07:31 AM
ChrisFoley   That’s what my cage crossbar is like and it’s...   Dec 5 2018, 07:35 AM
naro914   That’s what my cage crossbar is like and it’...   Dec 5 2018, 08:40 AM
Heater Guy   [quote name='ChrisFoley' post='2671242' date='Dec...   Dec 5 2018, 03:30 PM
Heater Guy   [quote name='naro914' post='2671256' date='Dec 5 ...   Dec 5 2018, 03:51 PM
Chi-town   Then the Tech inspector wasn't doing his job. ...   Dec 5 2018, 09:53 AM
naro914   Then the Tech inspector wasn't doing his job....   Dec 5 2018, 02:33 PM
naro914   Recommended, not required. We can’t put a knee b...   Dec 5 2018, 03:59 PM
campbellcj   Recommended, not required. We can’t put a knee ...   Dec 5 2018, 06:17 PM
brant   agreed with Chris knee bars go inside the dash an...   Dec 6 2018, 11:03 AM
Brett W   Yup, you need a better fabricator. Proper dash ba...   Dec 9 2018, 11:14 AM
stownsen914   Definitely want a dash bar and a horizontal bar ac...   Dec 9 2018, 11:00 PM
brant   Definitely want a horizontal bar across middle or...   Dec 10 2018, 11:57 AM
naro914   OK then, can someone show pictures of their knee b...   Dec 10 2018, 07:15 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   My knee bar is almost touching the lower part of t...   Dec 10 2018, 08:36 AM
ChrisFoley   Forward hoops which penetrate the stock dash are g...   Dec 10 2018, 09:22 AM
brant   Ours:   Dec 10 2018, 09:59 AM
Brett W   Sounds like your seat is pushed too far forward or...   Dec 10 2018, 11:31 AM
naro914   Nadine sits with the seat as far forward as she ca...   Dec 10 2018, 11:43 AM
Jetsetsurfshop   My knee bar, from Tangerine.   Dec 10 2018, 01:33 PM
Brett W   Too low, Nadine is now an amputee. That design wo...   Dec 10 2018, 09:15 PM
GregAmy   Good morning! Just catching this thread, wante...   Dec 11 2018, 08:56 AM
Heater Guy   Good morning! Just catching this thread, want...   Dec 11 2018, 11:40 AM
Chi-town   @GregAmy - Thank you for the post and clarificati...   Dec 11 2018, 09:14 AM
ThePaintedMan   :agree: Greg nailed it. Which also makes me re-thi...   Dec 11 2018, 10:53 AM
sixnotfour   I cut the dash so the knee bar would be higher......   Dec 11 2018, 12:16 PM
GregAmy   The orange historics car has a Foley cage from ...   Dec 11 2018, 12:44 PM
naro914   Just met with my fabricator and he had already pla...   Dec 12 2018, 11:29 AM
Heater Guy   Just met with my fabricator and he had already pl...   Dec 12 2018, 12:28 PM
naro914   It must be realized that, for one reason or anoth...   Dec 12 2018, 01:00 PM
Heater Guy   It must be realized that, for one reason or anot...   Dec 12 2018, 01:14 PM
GregAmy   Agree. Monthly SCCA Fast Tracks can sometimes driv...   Dec 12 2018, 01:24 PM
Brett W   Plus double row "NASCAR" style door bar...   Dec 13 2018, 07:30 AM
Chi-town   Apparently not, because he chose the second worse...   Dec 13 2018, 09:02 AM
GregAmy   There are a lot of different designs that people u...   Dec 13 2018, 10:24 AM
Brett W   I understand what he is talking about. In order f...   Dec 13 2018, 09:20 AM
mlindner   Here's mine, I'm six foot, never a problem...   Dec 16 2018, 05:50 AM
Beechhousegarage   Working on a T45 cage by Custom Cages UK, Attachme...   Apr 20 2019, 01:48 PM
Beechhousegarage   another view   Apr 20 2019, 01:50 PM
GregAmy   Is that cage above being built to a specific sanct...   Apr 20 2019, 07:34 PM
Beechhousegarage   Is that cage above being built to a specific sanc...   Apr 21 2019, 10:56 AM
GregAmy   For reference, I'm an SCCA scrutineer. What c...   Apr 21 2019, 02:15 PM
GregAmy   Just a quick follow up that I forgot to mention. ...   Apr 21 2019, 02:31 PM
Beechhousegarage   Thanks Greg! I may have been a little stubbor...   Apr 21 2019, 05:39 PM
Beechhousegarage   RE: Show me your roll cage to suspension tower bracing   Apr 21 2019, 05:42 PM
GregAmy   :beer2:   Apr 21 2019, 07:53 PM


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