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| rjames |
Jun 12 2019, 12:19 AM
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I'm made of metal ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,414 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Last summer all of a sudden my car wouldn’t stay running. If I could get it started the idle would hunt and the car would die unless I kept on the gas. Lack of power at times. All somewhat erratic.
Found that the MPS wouldn’t hold vacuum. Replaced the bad mps with a known good one. Car idles high when cold (higher than I think it should ~1600 rpm) so AAR is good, then when it warms up idle hunts from ~900rpm to the point where it almost dies unless I open the throttle body bleed screw quite a bit and turn the ECU knob just a few clicks away from full clockwise. So I did the following hoping to fix the issue: Replaced all vac hoses including intake runner to plenum hoses. New intakecrunner gaskets Verified plenum isn’t leaking New throttle body gasket Installed NOS throttle body Rebuilt the distributor New condenser Rebuilt injectors and flow tested New fuel lines Fuel pump is less than 2 years old Set timing and dwell with advance disconnected New CHT (resistance reads 1.7 w/engine off @70 degrees in the garage) Calibrated the TPS, even unplugged it to take it out of the equation, didn’t change anything. ECU matches the MPS (both correct part #s for a ‘75 2.0) Tried a known good ECU from a ‘74, no change. Feels like the MPS needs to be calibrated...but then again, these are all the same symptoms I had with the old bad mps. Replacement mps is from a Jeff B and was tested, but I haven’t retested it to see if it’s holding vacuum. (Don’t have the necessary tool, but maybe that’s the next step) Help! What am I missing? |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Jun 12 2019, 11:08 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses & Beekeeper ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 9,134 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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Its frequently the case when the MPS is going bad...that the system has been adjusted to compensate for a failing MPS. Then when the new good MPS is installed...the system itself is not in adjustment and seems wrong. Fuel pressure is changed, the air bleed screw is changed, the ECU idle mixture knob is changed and who knows what else.
For example, it was not mentioned above that the fuel pressure was checked. Its basic and important so use a gauge and check it. Then balance idle sped with the air bleed screw when warm. Is the cold start valve leaking? Test it or take it out of the system. Are there any vacuum leaks...gaskets, fuel injector tip seals, the air plenum etc.? All these can affect idle and mixture. |
| rjames |
Jun 13 2019, 12:08 AM
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I'm made of metal ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,414 Joined: 24-July 05 From: Shoreline, WA Member No.: 4,467 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Its frequently the case when the MPS is going bad...that the system has been adjusted to compensate for a failing MPS. Then when the new good MPS is installed...the system itself is not in adjustment and seems wrong. Fuel pressure is changed, the air bleed screw is changed, the ECU idle mixture knob is changed and who knows what else. For example, it was not mentioned above that the fuel pressure was checked. Its basic and important so use a gauge and check it. Then balance idle sped with the air bleed screw when warm. Is the cold start valve leaking? Test it or take it out of the system. Are there any vacuum leaks...gaskets, fuel injector tip seals, the air plenum etc.? All these can affect idle and mixture. No vacuum leaks detected. see above for all of the items that have been replaced and/or checked already. Cold start valve has been removed from the system to no effect. Besides the bleed screw on the TB and the ecu knob, and fuel pressure, is there something else that could be adjusted for a failing MPS that would make the car undriveable with a good MPS? (All inection components are stock.) Fuel pressure is on the list to check next. Distributer is still in question. MPS is still in question. Wiring harness possibly, but seems unlikely. Symptoms originally occurred when the MPS went bad. Seems unlikely that something would’ve happened to the wiring harness, distributor, or fuel pump/pressure or wiring harness at the same time. |
rjames Fuching DJet issues *SOLVED* Jun 12 2019, 12:19 AM
GregAmy Just a note on "known good MPS"...I was ... Jun 12 2019, 05:23 AM
BeatNavy Based on hunting idle it sounds like you're ru... Jun 12 2019, 06:00 AM
rjames
Based on hunting idle it sounds like you're r... Jun 12 2019, 11:13 AM
BeatNavy
What is the T1/ambient air sensor located?
It... Jun 12 2019, 02:33 PM
Bleyseng I can loan RichD my wideband to check the AFR on y... Jun 12 2019, 07:53 AM
rjames I just installed a wideband sensor on my car but h... Jun 12 2019, 11:04 AM
IronHillRestorations Trigger points Jun 12 2019, 05:18 PM
914_teener Post a pic of your engine compartment.
Are you ru... Jun 12 2019, 06:12 PM
rjames I'm using the decal valve.
75 2.0 with smog r... Jun 12 2019, 06:19 PM
BeatNavy If you disconnect the T1 sensor I just want to see... Jun 12 2019, 06:45 PM
rjames
If you disconnect the T1 sensor I just want to se... Jun 12 2019, 08:34 PM
sixnotfour food for thought
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/inde... Jun 13 2019, 01:07 AM
rjames
food for thought
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/ind... Jun 13 2019, 08:58 AM
rjames Ok, more testing = more results.
Distributor cani... Jun 13 2019, 01:47 PM
BeatNavy Good news is it sounds like you confirmed the cond... Jun 13 2019, 02:03 PM
jagalyn Found this series of D-Jet Articles online.
https... Jun 15 2019, 12:29 PM
saigon71 You are running lean at idle. Try truning the ECU... Jun 16 2019, 06:12 AM
ChrisFoley
my 914 idle hunts the least with mixture knob ... Jun 16 2019, 07:28 AM
JeffBowlsby A lean condition may also be corrected by increasi... Jun 16 2019, 07:58 AM
rjames The idle hunt isn’t a slight hunt. It’s from 1... Jun 16 2019, 01:44 PM
rjames Okay, problem remains after replacing the fuel fil... Jun 20 2019, 08:34 PM
JeffBowlsby No effect during adjusting the air screw points to... Jun 20 2019, 09:16 PM
rjames
No effect during adjusting the air screw points t... Jun 20 2019, 10:45 PM
JeffBowlsby If the air screw is fully closed, the engine shoul... Jun 20 2019, 11:15 PM
rjames
If the air screw is fully closed, the engine shou... Jun 20 2019, 11:31 PM
jcd914
If the air screw is fully closed, the engine sho... Jun 21 2019, 12:40 AM
Spoke
Why do the rpms drop so much when hooking up the ... Jun 21 2019, 06:05 AM
BeatNavy I think you may also want to verify your vacuum li... Jun 21 2019, 05:28 AM
rjames AAR is good.
Eschewing vacuum leaks for a second... Jun 21 2019, 03:55 PM
914sgofast2 Sounds like the source of your vacuum leak is the ... Jun 21 2019, 07:42 PM
rjames Playing with it again, now it only idles high whe... Jun 21 2019, 09:34 PM
914sgofast2 In my experience a vacuum leak causes the idle to ... Jun 22 2019, 10:46 AM
Rand I'd say not dizzy. The thing about the dizzy ... Jun 22 2019, 01:05 PM
rjames
I'd say not dizzy. The thing about the dizzy... Jun 22 2019, 05:09 PM
rjames Any chance this is a compression issue? Jun 22 2019, 09:59 PM
Rand
Any chance this is a compression issue?
It ran f... Jun 23 2019, 01:17 AM
rjames Updates and new info:
Installed new coil and 123 ... Jul 5 2019, 07:21 PM
BeatNavy Just to be clear, I believe there's only one s... Jul 6 2019, 04:36 AM
rjames Stock 2.0 liter with correct/matching FI parts. MP... Jul 6 2019, 08:59 AM
914_teener
Stock 2.0 liter with correct/matching FI parts. M... Jul 15 2019, 10:06 AM
rjames
Stock 2.0 liter with correct/matching FI parts. ... Jul 17 2019, 12:27 AM
rjames Beyond frustrated now.
Started again from the beg... Jul 14 2019, 07:42 PM
rjames Issues fixed. Had multiple things going on. Distri... Aug 17 2019, 06:55 PM
914werke Great news! Come on out tommorow for lunch at ... Aug 17 2019, 08:18 PM
rjames
Great news! Come on out tommorow for lunch at... Aug 17 2019, 10:49 PM
Tdskip Excellent news Aug 17 2019, 09:22 PM
falcor75 Congrats on solving it. Aug 18 2019, 05:01 AM
BeatNavy :trophy: :trophy: :trophy:
In addition to h... Aug 18 2019, 05:25 AM
76-914
Issues fixed. Had multiple things going on. Distr... Aug 18 2019, 08:55 AM
Jett Great persistence. My car is at Chris’s German ... Aug 18 2019, 09:33 AM
DRPHIL914 Way to go!! Good for you for hanging in th... Aug 18 2019, 09:39 AM
Rand Thanks for sharing the solutions. Often people don... Aug 18 2019, 04:11 PM
ssuperflyoldguy appreciate the write ups, diagnosis & help fro... Aug 18 2019, 11:03 PM![]() ![]() |
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