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| BeatNavy |
Sep 6 2019, 03:06 PM
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The last week or so I've been breaking in a new engine I built last winter and finally manage to install a couple of weeks ago. I'm pretty happy with how it pulls, and after a LOT of fiddling with the MPS and timing I think I've got it where it will start right up, idle cold (barely), idle nicely when warm, and run with nice cool head temps. I do seem to have a slight bit of ping/detonation under load around 2800 to 3000 RPM, so I guess I need to play with timing a bit more.
I am much less happy with the oil leaks. I know building a leak-free Type IV is a challenge, and given this is my first effort, I didn't expect perfection. But right now it's leaking pretty badly in a couple of places: out of the transmission weep hole (probably RMS, I guess), somewhere around oil filter console and/or pressure relief valve, and, surprisingly, what seems to be sort of spraying out and around oil filler neck. Here I need help from the World; I see a combination of three possible causes for this many leaks (when I otherwise took my time and tried to follow guidelines, using Jake's recommended sealants): 1. My own inexperience 2. Too much crankcase pressure from rings not seating yet 3. Too much crankcase pressure from no head venting. Here are some details on build: 2056 with 9950 Cam using D-Jet Brand new AA Heads built by HAM, and Len sealed up the vents 96mm KB Pistons with Hastings Rings 8.6 CR A couple of notes: I didn't gap the rings per Jake's philosophy that crankcase pressure is what causes oil leaks, and the rings come properly gapped. Also, Len (and Jake) don't like head venting for oil flow (so my heads had vent plugged). If I understand him correctly, Len told me the stock PCV vale should provide enough crankcase pressure relief on a street car. RMS is the Sabo brand (the "good" one). Any thoughts on 1, 2 or 3 above? I'm willing to pull the engine and reseal, but I wanted to see if 2 or 3 are possibilities that I need to address. Is the stock PCV valve (which I am sure is not clogged) enough pressure relief? Thanks for any help. |
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| Superhawk996 |
Sep 6 2019, 04:55 PM
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Great suggestion Len! Simplicity. I love it!
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| BeatNavy |
Sep 6 2019, 05:12 PM
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Great suggestion Len! Simplicity. I love it! So do I! Good stuff, Len, thanks. Just to be clear (and because I'm stupid), I should leave the top of the water bottle off but cover it all with a rag to keep oil from spraying around, correct? The flywheel was resurfaced, and I used a fine sand paper, like emory paper, to polish the surface where the RMS runs. On the oil filler, I definitely have the gasket. I ended up putting Dirko on it to try to seal it in place, thinking that may be the issue. I don't actually SEE oil spraying, but it collects all over the top of the engine and on the flanges of the oil filler. I changed oil filler caps thinking maybe I had one that wasn't sealing. Heads are threaded. |
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Sep 6 2019, 05:27 PM
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Great suggestion Len! Simplicity. I love it! So do I! Good stuff, Len, thanks. Just to be clear (and because I'm stupid), I should leave the top of the water bottle off but cover it all with a rag to keep oil from spraying around, correct? The flywheel was resurfaced, and I used a fine sand paper, like emory paper, to polish the surface where the RMS runs. On the oil filler, I definitely have the gasket. I ended up putting Dirko on it to try to seal it in place, thinking that may be the issue. I don't actually SEE oil spraying, but it collects all over the top of the engine and on the flanges of the oil filler. I changed oil filler caps thinking maybe I had one that wasn't sealing. Heads are threaded. Yes. The rag is to filter oil vapor exiting the crankcase and filter air moving into the crankcase. Crankcase pressures pulse from negative to positive with every crank revolution. It doesn't have to be the cut off bottom of a water bottle. I just used that example to illustrate the concept. You can make the thing out of anything that you can drill a hole in and get taped and sealed tight to the filler neck. If you had a junk oil filler cap you could drill a hole in it. That would be the easy button. |
BeatNavy Breaking in New Engine Sep 6 2019, 03:06 PM
Superhawk996 Sounds an awful lot like too much crank case press... Sep 6 2019, 03:17 PM
BeatNavy Thanks for the ideas.
How many miles are on it? ... Sep 6 2019, 03:50 PM
Superhawk996 0.015 ring end gap is great. Factory manual is 0.... Sep 6 2019, 04:54 PM
HAM Inc Rob try this. Remove the oil filler cap and fashio... Sep 6 2019, 04:46 PM
Olympic 914 Regarding KB pistons ring gap. They recommend a l... Sep 6 2019, 05:07 PM
rhodyguy Is the PCV valve functional? Sep 6 2019, 05:32 PM
Superhawk996 I just gotta ask on other question that I've a... Sep 6 2019, 05:37 PM
BeatNavy Yeah, interesting on the KB pistons. Hmmm....hope... Sep 6 2019, 06:04 PM
BeatNavy Just to follow up on this. I tapped a hole in the... Sep 9 2019, 04:07 PM
Superhawk996 Try this trick for item #3. Anneal the copper exh... Sep 10 2019, 06:18 PM
BeatNavy
Try this trick for item #3. Anneal the copper ex... Sep 10 2019, 07:05 PM
Superhawk996 On item #1, oil temp gauge or temp sensor could be... Sep 10 2019, 06:24 PM
Superhawk996 Good luck! If heat exchanger 1/2 was leaking... Sep 10 2019, 07:21 PM
BeatNavy Ok, small update. It took a frustratingly long ti... Sep 16 2019, 02:48 PM
Frank S Progress, but it takes a ton of time to fine tune ... Sep 17 2019, 02:47 PM
worn
Progress, but it takes a ton of time to fine tune... Sep 17 2019, 06:47 PM

Frank S Wow. I thought i was the only one driving with a ... Sep 18 2019, 03:39 AM

BeatNavy
Hard to adjust something you can not measure. Thi... Sep 18 2019, 05:21 AM

Frank S
Hard to adjust something you can not measure. Th... Sep 18 2019, 10:43 AM
Superhawk996
Progress, but it takes a ton of time to fine tune... Sep 18 2019, 05:20 AM
Frank S How about posting about your center console setup?... Sep 18 2019, 10:30 AM
Frank S
How about posting about your center console setup... Sep 18 2019, 10:31 AM
BeatNavy Thanks, Frank. Good points. The knocking/detonat... Sep 17 2019, 03:53 PM
Frank S Also entertaining buying a cooler range of spark p... Sep 18 2019, 03:32 AM
BeatNavy This is excellent information, thanks Frank. Have... Sep 18 2019, 03:24 PM
Frank S
This is excellent information, thanks Frank. Hav... Sep 19 2019, 01:48 AM
Superhawk996 In Franks case I assume he is using the lambda to ... Sep 18 2019, 03:42 PM
Frank S
In Franks case I assume he is using the lambda to... Sep 19 2019, 01:56 AM
BeatNavy Yeah, I think you do both. You can't just go ... Sep 18 2019, 03:58 PM
Superhawk996 In your case do you have a wideband lambda sensor ... Sep 18 2019, 04:06 PM
BeatNavy I do. I didn’t really trust it when I had an ex... Sep 18 2019, 04:32 PM
Mark Henry On the RMS leak always give the oil the sniff test... Sep 19 2019, 11:46 AM
BeatNavy Ok, circling back on this to add to the 914World k... Dec 18 2019, 04:51 PM
Superhawk996 Wow.
That's a lot to digest. Thanks for p... Dec 18 2019, 05:28 PM
Dion Special rings! :—) Heheheh, Uggh. Glad you... Dec 18 2019, 05:55 PM
rhodyguy Putting a floor jack under each control arm will g... Dec 18 2019, 05:59 PM
Olympic 914 Just sticking this in here..
More ring gap stuff,... Dec 19 2019, 08:06 AM
BeatNavy
Just sticking this in here..
More ring gap stuff... Dec 19 2019, 08:31 AM
Superhawk996
To be fair (to them), I have to believe one or b... Dec 19 2019, 08:43 AM
BeatNavy
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