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> Windshield install with butyl - is butyl primer needed?
Kansas 914
post Jun 23 2017, 07:41 AM
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I have brand new paint on the car. I remember the last time I had a windshield installed by I don't think the installer used primer.

Is it best to prime the frame first and is butyl primer the right stuff?

Like this? https://www.amazon.com/CRL-Pinchweld-Primer...uct_top?ie=UTF8
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post Feb 11 2020, 08:32 PM
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00473W5V...=UTF8&psc=1

I used this stuff to primer my windshield and frame.

Buddy of mine was the son of an auto glass guy so he helped with installing dozens of them over the years. Primer every time or it'll eventually begin to leak. I think he mentioned that it also helps provide a bit of extra protection to the butyl since it helps to mask the sunlight, in addition to the glass blocking the UV.

From what I understand, modern urethane adhesives, when they grab on, hold on WAY too well and the windshield becomes a structural/shear member of the car, and all the flex ends up being transferred into the windshield glass, which the 914 windshields were never designed to be used for, causing them to crack.
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post Feb 11 2020, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE(lierofox @ Feb 11 2020, 09:32 PM) *

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00473W5V...=UTF8&psc=1

I used this stuff to primer my windshield and frame.

Buddy of mine was the son of an auto glass guy so he helped with installing dozens of them over the years. Primer every time or it'll eventually begin to leak. I think he mentioned that it also helps provide a bit of extra protection to the butyl since it helps to mask the sunlight, in addition to the glass blocking the UV.

From what I understand, modern urethane adhesives, when they grab on, hold on WAY too well and the windshield becomes a structural/shear member of the car, and all the flex ends up being transferred into the windshield glass, which the 914 windshields were never designed to be used for, causing them to crack.



So you just put the primer on the windshield channel on the car where the butyl touches? As well as on the windshield?
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post Feb 12 2020, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE(stevegm @ Feb 11 2020, 07:10 PM) *

So you just put the primer on the windshield channel on the car where the butyl touches? As well as on the windshield?


Yep! We did it back in 2017 (and no the car hasn't gotten any prettier since then)

Here's the windshield itself, cleaned and scraped and wiped as spotless as possible with ammonia free cleaner, alcohol, and finally dried before the primer was applied.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-18880-1581534405.1.jpg)

And here's the windshield frame, similar cleaning treatment was given with alcohol.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-18880-1581534405.2.jpg)

Work slowly and CAREFULLY when pressing it into place, especially around the corners to avoid cracking, should look something like this when it's all set in place.
(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i.imgur.com-18880-1581534406.3.jpg)

Use the spacer blocks and preferably a buddy to help you guide it into place.
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Kansas 914   Windshield install with butyl - is butyl primer needed?   Jun 23 2017, 07:41 AM
76-914   I did not use any however I did prep with Lacquer ...   Jun 23 2017, 07:48 AM
Mark Henry   What size is the correct butyl...it's the tape...   Jun 23 2017, 08:00 AM
mepstein   What size is the correct butyl...it's the tap...   Jun 23 2017, 08:07 AM
Mark Henry   What size is the correct butyl...it's the ta...   Jun 23 2017, 08:09 AM
Kansas 914   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2499469' date='Jun...   Jun 23 2017, 08:11 AM
Dave_Darling   Using the primer is not necessary, but it does hel...   Jun 23 2017, 09:24 AM
Perry Kiehl   Butyl primer will improve the seal. For $17 ...   Jun 23 2017, 09:35 AM
Kansas 914   Butyl primer will improve the seal. For $17...   Jun 23 2017, 10:45 AM
Mikey914   no primer required New paint not needed for sure....   Jun 23 2017, 02:39 PM
bbrock   With luck, I'll be facing this task in the not...   Jun 23 2017, 05:58 PM
Dave_Darling   Other than originality, are there reasons to stick...   Jun 23 2017, 10:07 PM
bbrock   Other than originality, are there reasons to stic...   Jun 23 2017, 10:49 PM
porschetub   Other than originality, are there reasons to stic...   Feb 12 2020, 01:04 PM
Perry Kiehl   Butyl tape is a consistent thickness, in this case...   Jun 23 2017, 09:10 PM
Montreal914   For the rear window, I have used 5/16 butyl about ...   Jun 23 2017, 09:45 PM
stevegm   914rubber’s kit is 9.5 mm, which is 3/8”. I h...   Feb 11 2020, 07:22 PM
bbrock   914rubber’s kit is 9.5 mm, which is 3/8”. I ...   Feb 11 2020, 08:55 PM
stevegm   914rubber’s kit is 9.5 mm, which is 3/8”. I...   Feb 11 2020, 09:11 PM
bbrock   [quote name='bbrock' post='2785159' date='Feb 11 ...   Feb 11 2020, 09:36 PM
stevegm   [quote name='stevegm' post='2785165' date='Feb 11...   Feb 11 2020, 09:55 PM
914werke   Other than originality, are there reasons to stic...   Feb 11 2020, 08:18 PM
ConeDodger   I did this alone but another set of hands would be...   Feb 11 2020, 08:30 PM
lierofox   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00473W5V...=UTF...   Feb 11 2020, 08:32 PM
stevegm   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00473W5V...=UT...   Feb 11 2020, 09:10 PM
lierofox   So you just put the primer on the windshield chan...   Feb 12 2020, 01:06 PM
mepstein   The warmer the better. Mark / Mikey explained the ...   Feb 12 2020, 01:20 PM


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