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> V-TEC power, what do you think???
mattillac
post Dec 15 2004, 01:25 PM
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anybody heard of a V-TEC conversion for the 914. KEP could probably come up with an adapter if he doesn't have one already. but, will a front drive motor work with a rear drive tranny? does the crankshaft spin in the same direction? anyone hear of any other front drive engine conversions? my 914 deserves more power than i can afford to get out of my type 4 motor. for the cost of nickies and upright cooling and head work, etc. i could have a turbo vtec setup.

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post Dec 16 2004, 03:01 PM
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Brett,

I'm hardly as "ignorant" as you suggest - just as I'm sure your ego won't lead you to believe you are the definitive source of all engine knowledge. In your original post you were throwing out some big numbers from Honda engines like they were common place. If our friend is interested in getting a reliable, under 200 hp engine and will keep it stock then by all means get the Honda. However, it sounds like a big reason for his getting the Honda is he is hooked up with an aftermarket parts supplier. This line of thinking seems to me like he is choosing the motor more for performance than for reliability. In my opinion the reason he gave (aftermarket parts supplier) is a really poor reason to go with the Honda engine because most of the aftermarket engine bolt on stuff for Honda's is geared towards the ricer and has limited power potential for what you pay. Additionally, which someone else brought up, a lot of the parts are car specific - not engine specific - and may not fit in a 914.

My suggestion was to start with something that had more potential for the same money. In response to your "HP is never cheap" comment I would like to note that HP is cheaper in some engines than others. Case in point is the Type IV engine. It costs big dollars to get more out of it. Now take a good ol' chevy 350 and drop the same amount of money in it and you'll see much larger gains.

As for my Prelude it was a 1990 SR - 140 hp stock. I went around the track here with an instructor in a Honda Civic Si and it was a blast. I then had him drive my Prelude and we were able to keep up with another instructor in an M3 through the corners which blew me away. Of course on the straights we got dusted pretty bad. The point is the Honda can be fun to drive like you say. However, most of the "ricer" guys aren't going to drive at the track like you do. Most "ricers" are poseurs - a large percentage of which are Honda guys - who bolt shit on and think they are now comparable to a corvette, viper, M3, 911, etc. They also spout of the virtues of V-TEC like it's a the end all be all. Honda has done a good job of marketing their product quoting some impressive power figures but what people don't pay attention to is that peak HP is not the answer. Having the most useable horsepower and torque through the broadest powerband is more important. Who cares if the engine spikes to 200 hp for a span of 200 rpm if the for the previous 4500 rpm it's below 130? Muellers VR6 swap make more sense to me than the Honda.
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mattillac   V-TEC power   Dec 15 2004, 01:25 PM
dlo914   :angry: ricer :barf:   Dec 15 2004, 01:41 PM
lapuwali   Many fwd engines do spin in the right direction, b...   Dec 15 2004, 01:45 PM
Dr Evil   Blasphemizer!!! You'll roast in 91...   Dec 15 2004, 01:47 PM
sixnotfour   Buy muellers engine adapter and all. Vr6 :trophy:   Dec 15 2004, 01:52 PM
Dr Evil   Muellers selling the VR6!? What happened?   Dec 15 2004, 01:59 PM
sixnotfour   Check the Classifieds ...   Dec 15 2004, 02:09 PM
mattillac   i thought a v-tec conversion would enrage the puri...   Dec 15 2004, 02:09 PM
soloracer   A billion and one "bling bling - makah no power" p...   Dec 15 2004, 02:18 PM
Cloudbuster   It seems the money that isn't being figured is...   Dec 15 2004, 02:26 PM
SLITS     Dec 15 2004, 02:55 PM
mattillac   VR6 = $$$. i'm leaning towards...   Dec 15 2004, 03:16 PM
soloracer   You have to remember it's not just peak number...   Dec 15 2004, 03:32 PM
mattillac   i wouldn't mind having the nissan motor, but a...   Dec 15 2004, 03:44 PM
ClayPerrine   Sung to the tune of "Ice Ice Baby" by Vanilla Ice....   Dec 15 2004, 03:45 PM
tat2dphreak   I think: :barf:   Dec 15 2004, 03:51 PM
Brett W   Clay, For all that hatred of rice, you must have h...   Dec 15 2004, 03:58 PM
ClayPerrine   I don't hate Japanese tuner cars. I hate riceb...   Dec 15 2004, 04:07 PM
Mueller  
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mattillac   why does everybody have to rain on my parade? don...   Dec 15 2004, 04:45 PM
mattillac   <...   Dec 15 2004, 04:51 PM
Mueller  
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mattillac   <...   Dec 15 2004, 05:12 PM
mattillac   the fabrication and welding shouldn't be a pro...   Dec 15 2004, 05:18 PM
Mueller  
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mattillac   back to the subject at hand, i've seen some su...   Dec 15 2004, 05:32 PM
!   When ya do the swap....don't forget the fart c...   Dec 15 2004, 05:32 PM
sixnotfour   Start a spread sheet on the Costs, ...   Dec 15 2004, 05:37 PM
Mueller     Dec 15 2004, 06:41 PM
mattillac   so maybe i could weld up some kind of mount at the...   Dec 15 2004, 07:36 PM
Dave_Darling   The D- and I believe B-series motors mount thus: ...   Dec 15 2004, 08:52 PM
lapuwali   So, there are NO engine mounts on the engine itsel...   Dec 15 2004, 09:12 PM
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mattillac   i have to go to pick n pull to look for a tail lig...   Dec 15 2004, 10:32 PM
mattillac     Dec 15 2004, 10:35 PM
mattillac   ...   Dec 15 2004, 10:36 PM
Brett W   Get a reverse rotation camshaft and spin the motor...   Dec 15 2004, 10:49 PM
Mr.C   All this talk about power and handling with Hondas...   Dec 15 2004, 11:43 PM
soloracer   Brett: I don't know what part of the world yo...   Dec 16 2004, 01:03 AM
Mueller   okay...here is the drivers side* of a 4 banger hon...   Dec 16 2004, 01:12 AM
Mueller   now if you look at the other side of the engine, t...   Dec 16 2004, 01:18 AM
Mueller   oh yea...the discussion of 400hp Honda engines DOE...   Dec 16 2004, 01:20 AM
sixnotfour     Dec 16 2004, 03:59 AM
scott thacher   personally a suby motor is just about bolt in, kep...   Dec 16 2004, 08:25 AM
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mattillac   mueller, great job on the pics! :trophy: you j...   Dec 16 2004, 11:55 AM
soloracer   Brett, I'm hardly as "ignorant" as you sugges...   Dec 16 2004, 03:01 PM
mattillac   the reasons i'm opting for honda power: 1. re...   Dec 16 2004, 03:25 PM
J P Stein   For me, this all boils down to.....Whatcha gonna d...   Dec 16 2004, 03:47 PM
Sammy   Shame on all of you. A porsche engine should be l...   Dec 16 2004, 03:54 PM
sixnotfour   Sammy : Lets see here you had a 914 V-8 and have ...   Dec 16 2004, 04:04 PM
ClayPerrine   I don't know if anyone has thought of this.......   Dec 16 2004, 04:13 PM
andys   In one of my conversations with the senior Mr. Hob...   Dec 16 2004, 04:22 PM
BIGKAT_83   :agree: I think the nissan engine would be one o...   Dec 16 2004, 04:33 PM
Dr Evil   The 901 used on the early 911 are the same box wit...   Dec 16 2004, 04:38 PM
soloracer   :agree: I also spoke to Hobart when I ordered my...   Dec 16 2004, 04:39 PM
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mattillac   <...   Dec 16 2004, 05:10 PM
Mueller   no, that is not my engine...I refuse to own a hond...   Dec 16 2004, 05:14 PM
Sammy   Steve Malm had a 300ZX powered 914, heck of a car....   Dec 16 2004, 05:25 PM
sixnotfour   Dude you want to put a Japanese engine in a German...   Dec 16 2004, 05:29 PM
Dr Evil   The corvair is easy to reverse and cheap to rebuil...   Dec 16 2004, 05:30 PM
mattillac   i have no desire to take out my air cooled engine ...   Dec 16 2004, 05:36 PM
lapuwali   First, my little rant about the gearbox was sarcas...   Dec 16 2004, 06:00 PM
mattillac   what exactly is involved in flipping the r/p? just...   Dec 16 2004, 06:07 PM
Dave_Darling   ...   Dec 16 2004, 06:41 PM
sixnotfour   Honda CRX + Chev V-8 Grassroots motorsports this...   Dec 16 2004, 07:23 PM
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!   There are TWO 901 transmissions.....one for the 91...   Dec 16 2004, 08:27 PM
Mueller   for a "normal" engine spinning the conventional di...   Dec 16 2004, 08:31 PM
mattillac   still wondering if flipping the ring and pinion wi...   Dec 16 2004, 11:47 PM
Mueller   I don't think you have to "modify" anything to...   Dec 17 2004, 12:06 AM
bondo   Everything you need to know about VTEC transplants...   Dec 17 2004, 12:22 AM
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