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> Rear Mount Oil Cooler Planning, Ok, leaking oil again...
BeatNavy
post May 31 2020, 06:45 AM
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With the addition of my 2270 I'm now pushing oil temps toward 230 on an 80 degree day. I am not surprised, but wanted to run it for a bit just to make sure an external oil cooler is truly necessary.

I think it is truly necessary.

I've researched and planned this some, but I'm still looking for sanity check, comments, and answers where appropriate. You'll notice I'm trying to stick with Setrab for most of this under the assumption that the pieces should work together.

1. This will be rear-mount cooler: Setrab Series 1 19-row w/Fan. It looks compact, has the fan, and was recommended to me. It will be mounted somewhere under trunk / over gearbox, probably passenger side.

2. Sandwich plate adapter. I've considered going with CFR's system, but I'll probably stick with the sandwich plate route at this point. Which sandwich plate? I assume it needs to be low-profile to avoid interference with cross-bar, but these things run from $26 to over $200 depending, I guess, whether or not they have thermostat. I was thinking of going with this one: 3/4 x 16 1-inch Sandwich Plate

3. Oil line fittings. I guess I need 2 for the sandwich adapter plate and 2 for the cooler itself. From a planning standpoint should I assume straight, 45 or 90 degree angled, particularly for clearance purposes off the adapter?

4. Oil lines. Going with steel braided, and I was thinking about 10 feet of AN8. Any advantage/disadvantage to AN8 versus AN10?. I'm going to get the Koul Tool oil line tool to help fabricate these.

5. Thermostat fan switch - was planning on the Setrab 190 degree thermostat switch.

6. Then I guess I need to go fused or relay on the power. Need to research that a bit more.

7. Am I missing anything or any other gotchas before I start ordering stuff?

As always, thanks for advice and help. Adding an external cooler obviously makes everything a bit more complex and crowded underneath. I guess I should have stuck with the original 1.7L I had years ago. NOT! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Jun 29 2020, 12:03 PM
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Alright, apparently I like blowing seals (no jokes, sil vous plait).

Ordered the seal replacement kit from Setrab and it arrived Saturday. Hooked up Sunday morning and took a couple of spins in hot weather. Oil temps weren't as cool as I would like, but then again I still needed to add some oil. Good news, no major leaks.

Took it for another spin today after bringing it up to full oil level, and when oil hit temp of about 180 it started leaking badly again out of the adapter. I was only a mile or two from the house, but I had to add oil and watch the OP idiot light to make it home while dripping badly along the road (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

Post mortem shows that I blew the seal the same way in the same damn place -- directly across from the hose fittings on the adapter. What gives here??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I was careful not to spin the adapter while torqueing it down. That was what I thought I did last time. Here are my working theories. Input is more than welcome:

1. Still didn't seat the seal correctly on the lip of the oil filter console. I had left the AN10 oil hoses connected to the adapter so I didn't have to tighten them again after putting the adapter on (to avoid any side loading on the seal / adapter), but I thought I was careful. Maybe I torqued it down with the seal not in the exact correct spot. Again.

2. AN10 hoses are putting rotational torque on the adapter, especially if they move around during driving, and that tears the seal. I didn't THINK the hoses were especially tight/kinked as they curved to the adapter, but maybe during driving they shift? These hoses are coming down through the J-tube hole and curving to the adapter place.

3. Oil pressure is blowing it out. I wouldn't think so, and I was careful driving, not getting close to 4K RPM particularly with oil below 140 degrees. I don't have OP gauge, so I don't know.

4. There's a bur somewhere on the console or adapter plate that's cutting the seal. If there is, I can't see or feel it.

Fortunately when I bought the seal kit they sent 2. So I have one left I can put on. But I don't want to try until I have a better idea of root cause. I was ready to buy some different AN10 fittings (e.g., 45 degree bends) to see if that would take pressure off of the hoses/plate, but I'm not sure that's the issue.

Getting up to the NE outing is starting to look sketchy for me... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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BeatNavy   Rear Mount Oil Cooler Planning   May 31 2020, 06:45 AM
wndsrfr   With the addition of my 2270 I'm now pushing ...   May 31 2020, 07:24 AM
Maury4   I used Tangerine Racing Kit.One was a bit short fo...   May 31 2020, 08:11 AM
BeatNavy   Thanks John / Maury. I don't think this car i...   May 31 2020, 11:42 AM
gereed75   Rob, Here is the one I did http://www.914world....   May 31 2020, 11:45 AM
BeatNavy   Rob, Here is the one I did [url=http://www.914...   May 31 2020, 06:03 PM
Retroracer   On wiring: From the specs on the Setrab site, the ...   May 31 2020, 12:53 PM
gereed75   i included a temp sensor and a PMV temp controller...   May 31 2020, 02:12 PM
HansJan   My 2 cents: Don't fabricate your own hoses. Af...   May 31 2020, 08:08 PM
Matty900   I was just watching a video from Scott at Rennigad...   May 31 2020, 08:18 PM
mepstein   I like ss hoses. They take minutes to make and sho...   May 31 2020, 08:20 PM
BeatNavy   Thanks for everyone's input. Put a sizable or...   Jun 1 2020, 03:16 PM
Porschef   Pleasure talking with you Rob; the Mahle filter fi...   Jun 2 2020, 04:04 AM
Olympic 914   Rob I used the same Setrab 19 row cooler w/ fan pa...   Jun 2 2020, 07:34 AM
barefoot   Here's lots of stuff for you form the classic ...   Jun 2 2020, 09:15 AM
BeatNavy   Here's lots of stuff for you form the classic...   Jun 2 2020, 10:23 AM
Olympic 914   [b]@[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php...   Jun 2 2020, 02:20 PM
DRPHIL914   mine was installed by CFR while the car was up the...   Jun 2 2020, 12:41 PM
DRPHIL914   couple pictures of my cooler and the adapter. make...   Jun 2 2020, 02:28 PM
mb911   I just did this setup and put a small brace and sh...   Jun 2 2020, 02:59 PM
BeatNavy   A bit of an update. I did get the Setrab oil cool...   Jun 18 2020, 02:35 PM
Olympic 914   A bit of an update. I did get the Setrab oil coo...   Jun 18 2020, 04:14 PM
BeatNavy   That shield you have mounted on the bottom of the...   Jun 18 2020, 06:08 PM
BeatNavy   USPS has me like: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/up...   Jun 18 2020, 02:49 PM
DRPHIL914   USPS has me like: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/u...   Jun 18 2020, 02:56 PM
Craigers17   Nice looking setup! Looking forward to hearin...   Jun 18 2020, 04:42 PM
saigon71   Will that 2270 be making an appearance in Stroudsb...   Jun 18 2020, 06:20 PM
BeatNavy   Will that 2270 be making an appearance in Strouds...   Jun 18 2020, 06:30 PM
GregAmy   Quite interested in your progress. I have the Tang...   Jun 19 2020, 07:43 AM
BeatNavy   Greg, that's pretty clever running it through ...   Jun 19 2020, 10:22 AM
michael7810   Greg, that's pretty clever running it through...   Jun 19 2020, 10:32 AM
GregAmy   The only comment I can offer is that my thermo swi...   Jun 19 2020, 10:42 AM
wndsrfr   Little things tell a lot about a person's ch...   Jun 19 2020, 07:12 PM
Montreal914   @GregAmy , great idea to wire it through MS. I wil...   Jun 19 2020, 08:01 PM
GregAmy   lol Thank you but...I just realize in looking at ...   Jun 19 2020, 08:31 PM
BeatNavy   Another update: I got tired of waiting for my ord...   Jun 22 2020, 04:37 PM
saigon71   Another update: I got tired of waiting for my or...   Jun 23 2020, 05:22 AM
BeatNavy   Thanks, Bob. Yeah, I got a few things to sort out...   Jun 23 2020, 07:14 AM
colingreene   I also used that adapter plate, be careful as well...   Jun 24 2020, 01:14 PM
BeatNavy   Alright, apparently I like blowing seals (no jokes...   Jun 29 2020, 12:03 PM
BeatNavy   I tried some destructive testing to see if #2 (or#...   Jun 29 2020, 02:08 PM


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