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| Tdskip |
Oct 5 2020, 07:55 AM
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So it certainly appears if one uses BAT as a reference point that weapons grade 914/6 builds have been fully excepted as “worthy” the Porsche market.
Nearly all of those builds, however, have been high dollar endeavors, and while highly impressive machines many of them seem a bit compromised for actual road use or touring. Any thoughts on where 3.0 and 3.2 L builds that are not taken to the max now trade? |
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Oct 5 2020, 09:29 AM
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Is the take away from that one sale that you need to put flares on the car?
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Oct 5 2020, 02:58 PM
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Is the take away from that one sale that you need to put flares on the car? ^ I think that's sort of the conventional thinking right now. Six conversions that sell for "big" money seem to take a certain "crowd pleasing" look, and M471 flares do seem to be connected to that look. Two still stand out as high-water marks for me: Sold for $52k + fees for beautifully presented 2.0T (!) six conversion with flares (9/7/17) https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1975-porsche-914-6-gt/ Bid to $103,914 for a beautifully presented 3.6 six conversion with flares (5/12/20) https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-porsche-914-6-9/ There are plenty of other examples, but these two auctions strike me as bellwethers—and the takeaway for me is that a new (and/or returning) crowd is clearly interested in the 914, and likes the flared 914s more than narrow 914s. While it's nothing more than a hunch, I think there's trickle-down ahead much as we've seen with other models. It starts with headliners that get hot (356 Speedsters, Carrera RS 2.7s, 930s, etc), and the rising tide eventually raises the other ships. There might be waves with economic cycles and other influences, but what typically seems to happen is 1) the headliners are Hoovered up and prices get superheated, 2) buyers become more sophisticated as they gain new eyes for and perspectives on that era and "discover" some of the better kept secrets that are maybe subtle but similarly wonderful in their own right (356A or C coupe, 1967 911S, 911 2.2, etc). I don't have a crystal ball, but I can see where 914s with flares might eventually lead to greater appreciation of the narrow cars. In high school, I wanted to flare my car but couldn't afford to. I still love the GT flares, but have grown to really like and appreciate the clean lines of the original design—particularly when it's presented well. My guess is that the market might follow a similar trajectory... |
Tdskip Weapons grade versus more subtle 914/6 builds Oct 5 2020, 07:55 AM
Racer BAT is an outlier of many things.. Their writing a... Oct 5 2020, 08:15 AM
mepstein
BAT is an outlier of many things.. Their writing ... Oct 5 2020, 09:28 AM
porschetub
[quote name='Racer' post='2856777' date='Oct 5 20... Oct 5 2020, 09:52 PM
Tdskip Thanks for the thoughtful and insightful reply. Th... Oct 5 2020, 09:04 AM
mepstein
Is the take away from that one sale that you need... Oct 5 2020, 11:20 AM
VaccaRabite UNless you are building to sell, build the car you... Oct 5 2020, 09:45 AM
Tdskip
UNless you are building to sell, build the car yo... Oct 5 2020, 09:47 AM
eric9144 I think it's interesting how few of the ... Oct 5 2020, 11:41 AM
Cairo94507 We have all seen some really well done conversion ... Oct 5 2020, 01:22 PM
horizontally-opposed Fwiw, I have driven a lot of weapons-grade 914s, b... Oct 5 2020, 03:00 PM
Tdskip @horizontally-opposed - thanks for the thoughtful... Oct 5 2020, 03:21 PM
eric9144
Sold for $52k + fees for beautifully present... Oct 5 2020, 03:57 PM
Tdskip @mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ... Oct 5 2020, 04:59 PM
mepstein
@mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ... Oct 6 2020, 05:50 AM
Tdskip
@mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ... Oct 6 2020, 05:58 AM
horizontally-opposed
@mesptein - do your customers ever ask for a ... Oct 6 2020, 10:23 AM
Coondog While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored t... Oct 6 2020, 07:24 AM
mepstein
While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored ... Oct 6 2020, 07:38 AM
horizontally-opposed
While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored ... Oct 6 2020, 09:43 AM
ClayPerrine As the builder of a "Weapons Grade" conv... Oct 6 2020, 09:44 AM
eric9144
While both those cars are top notch, Eric scored... Oct 6 2020, 09:48 AM
horizontally-opposed
[quote name='horizontally-opposed' post='285... Oct 6 2020, 09:58 AM
eric9144
Nearly all of those builds, however, have been hi... Oct 6 2020, 10:25 AM
horizontally-opposed
On the "touring use" side of things..... Oct 6 2020, 10:58 AM
ClayPerrine
Ironically it has an audiophile stereo installat... Oct 6 2020, 11:47 AM
Cairo94507 Hi @eric9144 - I understand about engine noise i... Oct 6 2020, 10:54 AM
Mueller At certain price points potential buyers expect a ... Oct 6 2020, 11:24 AM
Mark Henry Do you plan to drive it, show it or flip it?
My 3... Oct 6 2020, 11:35 AM
Cairo94507 I installed a period correct Blaupunkt with the st... Oct 6 2020, 12:48 PM
Coondog I settled my long drive noise issues with two opti... Oct 6 2020, 01:04 PM
Cairo94507 Hi Greg - Yeah, I wear soft ear plugs already. :... Oct 6 2020, 01:35 PM
VegasRacer The only way to come out on top financially is to ... Oct 6 2020, 01:45 PM
Superhawk996 Watching with interest.
I may be the last build... Oct 6 2020, 02:01 PM
racer914
Watching with interest.
I may be the last buil... Oct 8 2020, 01:01 PM
eric9144
Watching with interest.
I may be the last buil... Oct 6 2020, 02:18 PM
Tdskip Great discussion gentlemen, really appreciate all ... Oct 6 2020, 03:37 PM
mepstein It should be easy to make a 3.2 build quiet and co... Oct 6 2020, 03:51 PM
john77 @eric9144 what a stunning car. I started flaring ... Oct 6 2020, 04:25 PM
Gint I'm putting a 2.7 with CIS in my /6. I always... Oct 6 2020, 05:05 PM
sixnotfour my first was a six...soooooooooooooo never really ... Oct 6 2020, 05:18 PM
RickS 3.0 with Webbers conversion, front oil cooler, rea... Oct 6 2020, 08:15 PM
john77 My car is pretty similar to yours, although with a... Oct 6 2020, 10:29 PM
Gint Ok, now that I've read the entire thread inste... Oct 6 2020, 09:53 PM
Tdskip It will be interesting to see some narrow body /6 ... Oct 7 2020, 07:36 AM
mepstein I don’t think there will be a mad rush to build ... Oct 7 2020, 09:13 AM
Tdskip Professionals know that, but there are a lot of ar... Oct 7 2020, 09:16 AM
Marv's3.6six I too have my weapons grade 3.6 hot rod, it was bu... Oct 7 2020, 10:27 AM
eric9144
Does the front valance have the cut out for the o... Oct 7 2020, 10:44 AM
Coondog I was running this one for a while but I wasn’t ... Oct 7 2020, 11:26 AM
slivel From track only car to street hotrod. I added an ... Oct 7 2020, 12:45 PM
cali914
From track only car to street hotrod. I added an... Oct 15 2020, 11:45 PM
Tdskip Nice builds gentlemen.
How much interior sound de... Oct 7 2020, 12:51 PM
Coondog
Nice builds gentlemen.
How much interior sound d... Oct 7 2020, 06:21 PM
Tdskip
Nice builds gentlemen.
How much interior sound ... Oct 7 2020, 06:36 PM
Gint
Took out back pad, installed dynamat and low pi... Oct 7 2020, 06:40 PM
john77 Thanks @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p... Oct 7 2020, 01:02 PM
Coondog
Thanks @[url=http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.... Oct 7 2020, 06:14 PM
Coondog Patrick Motor Sports. Oct 7 2020, 08:25 PM
Gint Stocking item or build to order? Oct 7 2020, 09:00 PM
Coondog One off for my car. Leather imported from Italy. Oct 7 2020, 09:06 PM
Gint Very nice. I like those a lot.
Found your thread... Oct 7 2020, 09:08 PM
davehg I have one build under my belt, a 3.2, and another... Oct 8 2020, 12:38 AM
ClayPerrine
I sorta kinda don’t give a rats ass what puris... Oct 8 2020, 10:49 AM
horizontally-opposed
…it makes more fiscal sense to buy one that so... Oct 8 2020, 12:17 PM
Tdskip Was speaking with an engine builder recently, who... Oct 8 2020, 02:46 PM
Superhawk996
. . . and won't touch mag cases anymore—be... Oct 8 2020, 03:08 PM
horizontally-opposed
:lol4:
When you start talking about 6.0L+ ma... Oct 8 2020, 03:20 PM
Tdskip Thanks for the post and pictures Dave. Very cool.
... Oct 8 2020, 02:34 AM
eric9144
There is no way I will come out ahead on either o... Oct 8 2020, 09:42 AM
horizontally-opposed Anyway, to the OP's question, it is a question... Oct 8 2020, 03:26 PM
Tdskip An agreed to value policy is critical for anything... Oct 9 2020, 08:05 AM
horizontally-opposed
It does seem to me that homebrew, even if except... Oct 9 2020, 10:41 AM
gereed75 Mine is a hot rod driver quality original six. Ver... Oct 9 2020, 10:50 AM
pencap914 I'm just starting my 914/6 conversion, and nee... Oct 9 2020, 10:53 AM
JeffBowlsby I have looked the other way on this thread long en... Oct 9 2020, 11:08 AM
Tdskip
I have looked the other way on this thread long e... Oct 10 2020, 06:51 AM
mepstein Marty's car. Weapon of mass destruction. :hea... Oct 9 2020, 01:21 PM
Sway Bar
Marty's car. Weapon of mass destruction. :he... Oct 9 2020, 01:46 PM
Cairo94507 Well, if that phrase ever applied to a 914, it wou... Oct 9 2020, 02:10 PM
john77 The gold 2.9 twin plug on bringatrailer just sold ... Oct 9 2020, 03:32 PM
Mueller
The gold 2.9 twin plug on bringatrailer just sold... Oct 9 2020, 03:55 PM
Cairo94507 That sold for almost what I thought it would. I w... Oct 9 2020, 04:54 PM
john77 Yeah, it looks like a gorgeous build. Seems like a... Oct 9 2020, 05:31 PM
Tdskip Going back up for sale I bet, $125k plus aski... Oct 10 2020, 06:49 AM
Tdskip Here we go;
More subtle 914/6 on BAT Oct 10 2020, 08:41 AM
Tdskip One day left but still quite cheap as far as these... Oct 15 2020, 08:33 AM
horizontally-opposed
One day left but still quite cheap as far as thes... Oct 15 2020, 09:15 AM
horizontally-opposed
One day left but still quite cheap as far as thes... Oct 16 2020, 10:03 AM
horizontally-opposed To Jeff's earlier point, I appreciate him rais... Oct 15 2020, 12:00 PM
Tdskip I certainly did not intend to offend anyone by usi... Oct 15 2020, 12:01 PM
Cairo94507 I was not the least offended by the phrase. To me... Oct 15 2020, 12:28 PM
Tdskip I have to embarrassingly admit I’ve been watchin... Oct 16 2020, 01:04 PM
Tdskip $43,000 no sale.
Seems to me like it should ... Oct 16 2020, 04:50 PM
Mueller
$43,000 no sale.
Seems to me like it should... Oct 16 2020, 04:59 PM
Gint I had that in my head at $40k. It's a gr... Oct 16 2020, 04:58 PM
horizontally-opposed $43k no sale is an interesting data point for... Oct 17 2020, 10:30 AM
Gint $43k + fees = $45k. The best case scena... Oct 17 2020, 06:51 PM![]() ![]() |
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