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post Mar 3 2021, 08:55 PM
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After making 170 sets of the original design heat exchangers I have moved to a mirrored setup. This will make the product sustainable and include a much improved collector design. This is the same design Burns uses and I have been making these collectors for 15 years now and they are awesome.. I will actually be doing a test with one heat exchanger and one header on my car to see what kind of heat I can produce that way. Pete had mentioned that idea in another thread and he maybe right.

Regardless I will be moving to this platform moving forward. I am happy with v 2.0 what does everyone think? Attached Image
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Mar 3 2021, 06:55 PM) *

After making 170 sets of the original design heat exchangers I have moved to a mirrored setup. This will make the product sustainable and include a much improved collector design. This is the same design Burns uses and I have been making these collectors for 15 years now and they are awesome.. I will actually be doing a test with one heat exchanger and one header on my car to see what kind of heat I can produce that way. Pete had mentioned that idea in another thread and he maybe right.

Regardless I will be moving to this platform moving forward. I am happy with v 2.0 what does everyone think? Attached Image


^ Very cool. Curious to know about power/tone/etc.

Also curious to see how one exchanger might work in terms of heat/cost/weight. For me, the thought was I can almost get away without heat—and people seem to rave about the heat output of your HEs vs, say, the B&B stuff.

All I need is enough to defrost the windshield and keep my feet warm on cold days with the top on, but I guess there is a question of do you want a system powerful enough to use on a cold day with the top off. Would I drive the car more often that way with two HEs vs one? I don't know, and suspect it's something that would have to be experimented with. Weight and cost advantages may also provide clarity for different customers, but it might be nice to have the option. Not sure which side is better if only one HE? Maybe passenger side given weight of driver + oil tank vs battery only on the right?
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post Mar 4 2021, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(mb911 @ Mar 3 2021, 06:55 PM) *

After making 170 sets of the original design heat exchangers I have moved to a mirrored setup. This will make the product sustainable and include a much improved collector design. This is the same design Burns uses and I have been making these collectors for 15 years now and they are awesome.. I will actually be doing a test with one heat exchanger and one header on my car to see what kind of heat I can produce that way. Pete had mentioned that idea in another thread and he maybe right.

Regardless I will be moving to this platform moving forward. I am happy with v 2.0 what does everyone think? Attached Image


^ Very cool. Curious to know about power/tone/etc.

Also curious to see how one exchanger might work in terms of heat/cost/weight. For me, the thought was I can almost get away without heat—and people seem to rave about the heat output of your HEs vs, say, the B&B stuff.

All I need is enough to defrost the windshield and keep my feet warm on cold days with the top on, but I guess there is a question of do you want a system powerful enough to use on a cold day with the top off. Would I drive the car more often that way with two HEs vs one? I don't know, and suspect it's something that would have to be experimented with. Weight and cost advantages may also provide clarity for different customers, but it might be nice to have the option. Not sure which side is better if only one HE? Maybe passenger side given weight of driver + oil tank vs battery only on the right?



So the hiccup is the driver side is in essence unchanged from the original design so I will be doing testing on heat just from that side. I am actually thinking of making a cross over to the passenger side and feeding both sides with 1 heat exchanger. If I were to offer 1 side heat exchanger it would be driver side only as it would need the least re development of fixtures etc. I would expect a 1 heat exchanger setup could be 7-800 off of retail .. that is a huge savings for big gains. We will see . I hope to get it installed in my car over the next few weeks and see what it does.
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So the hiccup is the driver side is in essence unchanged from the original design so I will be doing testing on heat just from that side. I am actually thinking of making a cross over to the passenger side and feeding both sides with 1 heat exchanger. If I were to offer 1 side heat exchanger it would be driver side only as it would need the least re development of fixtures etc. I would expect a 1 heat exchanger setup could be 7-800 off of retail .. that is a huge savings for big gains. We will see . I hope to get it installed in my car over the next few weeks and see what it does.


Got it, and makes sense.

Can't imagine the box is major weight? Any idea, even roughly?
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mb911   New 914-6 header design   Mar 3 2021, 08:55 PM
AZBanks   Just makes one more reason I want a six! Very...   Mar 3 2021, 11:03 PM
rgalla9146   Beautiful. What material ? Standard 2 ...   Mar 4 2021, 07:21 AM
mb911   Beautiful. What material ? Standard 2...   Mar 4 2021, 07:25 AM
914Sixer   Another great product :D   Mar 4 2021, 07:29 AM
mate914   Just amazing work! I can't wait to get a ...   Mar 4 2021, 07:32 AM
Dion   Wow, very nice.   Mar 4 2021, 07:52 AM
Luke M   After making 170 sets of the original design heat...   Mar 4 2021, 08:14 AM
mb911   After making 170 sets of the original design hea...   Mar 4 2021, 08:25 AM
914Toy   [quote name='Luke M' post='2896195' date='Mar 4 2...   Mar 4 2021, 09:29 AM
Mark Henry   [quote name='Luke M' post='2896195' date='Mar 4 ...   Mar 4 2021, 11:04 AM
mb911   [quote name='914Toy' post='2896211' date='Mar 4 2...   Mar 4 2021, 11:05 AM
914Toy   [quote name='914Toy' post='2896211' date='Mar 4 2...   Mar 4 2021, 12:10 PM
930cabman   Lookin good Ben, what is the ID of the pipes? I wi...   Mar 4 2021, 11:44 AM
mb911   Lookin good Ben, what is the ID of the pipes? I w...   Mar 4 2021, 11:47 AM
horizontally-opposed   After making 170 sets of the original design heat...   Mar 4 2021, 12:22 PM
mb911   After making 170 sets of the original design hea...   Mar 4 2021, 01:19 PM
horizontally-opposed   So the hiccup is the driver side is in essence u...   Mar 4 2021, 02:09 PM
mb911   So the hiccup is the driver side is in essence ...   Mar 4 2021, 02:18 PM
mepstein   Driving a 914 in the winter with the top off is a ...   Mar 4 2021, 02:21 PM
horizontally-opposed   About 1.5 lbs Even less than I would have thou...   Mar 4 2021, 02:45 PM
Superhawk996   Driving a 914 in the winter with the top off is a...   Mar 4 2021, 04:54 PM
gms   another fine product Ben :welder:   Mar 5 2021, 05:43 PM
maddog   looks great!   Mar 7 2021, 09:14 AM
pete000   Would be cool to have a non Heat header option as ...   Mar 7 2021, 09:22 AM
mepstein   Would be cool to have a non Heat header option as...   Mar 7 2021, 09:46 AM
mb911   Would be cool to have a non Heat header option as...   Mar 7 2021, 11:02 AM
horizontally-opposed   Went back and re-read the first post, which prompt...   Mar 7 2021, 09:48 AM
930cabman   Aren't these a new design?   Mar 7 2021, 09:58 AM
mb911   Aren't these a new design? Yes these are t...   Mar 7 2021, 11:03 AM
pete000   Would like to see this new mirrored with Burns col...   Mar 7 2021, 05:21 PM
mb911   Would like to see this new mirrored with Burns co...   Mar 7 2021, 05:24 PM
PlaysWithCars   Went back and re-read the first post, which promp...   Mar 7 2021, 11:23 PM
horizontally-opposed   Umm. I learned a lot about 3M spray on chip pro...   Mar 11 2021, 03:11 PM
mb911   And a final product.   Mar 11 2021, 02:38 PM
horizontally-opposed   And a final product. Very cool. Seem to recal...   Mar 11 2021, 03:14 PM
mb911   And a final product. Very cool. Seem to reca...   Mar 11 2021, 03:24 PM
rhodyguy   Early, early in the mornings with the top off. Hea...   Mar 11 2021, 02:51 PM
930cabman   Sign me up for one   Mar 11 2021, 04:58 PM
pete000   I would be in for the header non heat version as s...   Mar 11 2021, 06:13 PM


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