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> A little more pep for all of you Carburated folks Out there.
pcdarks
post Mar 18 2021, 02:43 PM
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This is something for you to try to get more pep when you first hit the gas. First of all read it through until you understand what I did. I switched over from FI to a center mount progressive two barrel carb but this would work with any carb configuration. I had the stock distributor with vacuum advance and retard. I hooked up the vacuum retard to ported vacuum on the carb. What this does it retards the timing at idle. I then timed the engine with the vacuum hooked up to factory specs. The engine idles as it should at around TDC. As I start to accelerate from a stop the vacuum drops and the retard in the distributor releases giving me a little timing advance and the engine takes off with more pep. This advance works until the engine catches up and vacuum increases causing the distributor to retard to stock timing. Now the mechanical advance works for the rest of the acceleration. If I am cruising in a higher gear and give it gas the distributor again advances when the retard losses vacuum when the pedal is pushed giving the car mare advance again until the engine increases vacuum where it then retards to factory timing. At cruise speeds. the distributor mechanically advances to 27 degrees and runs there until again acceleration causes the vacuum to drop and momentarily advances the timing. The car has very noticeably better take off from a stop and accelerates quicker at speed. try it.
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PlaysWithCars
post Mar 20 2021, 10:14 AM
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Be sure and check your total advance. Its been too long since I worked on a -4 to remember exactly what the timing curve looked like. But, if I understand what you've done correctly, you are getting more advance at low speed acceleration which will make it peppier but you might also be getting excessive advance at high rpm WOT acceleration that could lead to pre-ignition. Check your total advance at 4000 rpm with the vacuum line disconnected.
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post Mar 20 2021, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(PlaysWithCars @ Mar 20 2021, 09:14 AM) *

Be sure and check your total advance. Its been too long since I worked on a -4 to remember exactly what the timing curve looked like. But, if I understand what you've done correctly, you are getting more advance at low speed acceleration which will make it peppier but you might also be getting excessive advance at high rpm WOT acceleration that could lead to pre-ignition. Check your total advance at 4000 rpm with the vacuum line disconnected.


Been there done that. The timing advances to 27 degrees at 3200rpm. If the pedal is floored at cruising speed it will momentarily advance it further but for so short of a time it will cause no problems. I stated this in the original post. Had you read it entirely you would have seen it.
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post Mar 21 2021, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(pcdarks @ Mar 20 2021, 06:04 PM) *

I stated this in the original post. Had you read it entirely you would have seen it.


Okay...Yeah....but like the majority here we have a very low opinion of the single Weber, to practically all peeps it's a huge downgrade.
I doubt if many members read past the third sentence of your original post. Once they saw "I switched over from FI to a center mount progressive two barrel carb...." they likely hit the back button. If you have had good luck with your progressive then cool and good for you as you're one of the very few, just don't expect any converts here.
If you had questions or a tuning write up on the dual IDF webers or dells (or stock and aftermarket EFI) you would have more action on this thread.

Not trying to be a dick, just telling you the truth.
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post Mar 21 2021, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(Mark Henry @ Mar 21 2021, 09:07 AM) *

QUOTE(pcdarks @ Mar 20 2021, 06:04 PM) *

I stated this in the original post. Had you read it entirely you would have seen it.


Okay...Yeah....but like the majority here we have a very low opinion of the single Weber, to practically all peeps it's a huge downgrade.
I doubt if many members read past the third sentence of your original post. Once they saw "I switched over from FI to a center mount progressive two barrel carb...." they likely hit the back button. If you have had good luck with your progressive then cool and good for you as you're one of the very few, just don't expect any converts here.
If you had questions or a tuning write up on the dual IDF webers or dells (or stock and aftermarket EFI) you would have more action on this thread.

Not trying to be a dick, just telling you the truth.


The title of this post should have been an indicator that it didn't apply to you. That's great that you love your FI. It seems the only reason you clicked on it was to talk trash on Carburetion and to spread your negativity. I am a mechanic with over 50 years of experience and I'm here to try and help others. I found this little trick through trial and it works.Hopefully it will help someone. Why are you in this thread other that being a dick?
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pcdarks   A little more pep for all of you Carburated folks Out there.   Mar 18 2021, 02:43 PM
pcdarks   I've also noticed that the car runs better whe...   Mar 19 2021, 10:32 AM
PlaysWithCars   Be sure and check your total advance. Its been to...   Mar 20 2021, 10:14 AM
Mark Henry   Be sure and check your total advance. Its been t...   Mar 20 2021, 11:20 AM
JamesM   Be sure and check your total advance. Its been ...   Mar 24 2021, 09:05 AM
pcdarks   Be sure and check your total advance. Its been t...   Mar 20 2021, 04:04 PM
Mark Henry   I stated this in the original post. Had you read...   Mar 21 2021, 10:07 AM
pcdarks   I stated this in the original post. Had you rea...   Mar 21 2021, 03:31 PM
SirAndy   The title of this post should have been an indicat...   Mar 21 2021, 03:46 PM
914_teener   [quote name='Mark Henry' post='2901367' date='Mar...   Mar 21 2021, 04:18 PM
KELTY360   [quote name='pcdarks' post='2901241' date='Mar 2...   Mar 21 2021, 05:07 PM
pcdarks   [quote name='pcdarks' post='2901420' date='Mar 21...   Mar 21 2021, 08:40 PM
Mark Henry   [quote name='KELTY360' post='2901436' date='Mar 2...   Mar 24 2021, 09:30 AM
JamesM   Been there done that. The timing advances to 27 d...   Mar 24 2021, 01:59 PM
ChrisFoley   Your timing is over advanced. Adds a little more...   Mar 24 2021, 04:21 PM
914_teener   Your timing is over advanced. Adds a little mor...   Mar 24 2021, 05:00 PM
JamesM   Timing is relative ......and pep and overadvance...   Mar 24 2021, 06:35 PM
914_teener   Timing is relative ......and pep and overadvanc...   Mar 24 2021, 07:23 PM
914werke   :popcorn:   Mar 20 2021, 07:59 PM
Mark Henry   I have carbs, dual weber IDA triples.   Mar 21 2021, 06:12 PM
Justinp71   I went from mechanical advance, to vacuum advance ...   Mar 24 2021, 02:23 PM
Front yard mechanic   I just sold my pep for a hundred bucks, I consider...   Mar 24 2021, 07:05 PM
ClayPerrine   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/cdn.s...   Mar 25 2021, 11:08 AM
mrholland2   I've wondered if and what would happen if one ...   Mar 25 2021, 03:49 PM
SirAndy   I've wondered if and what would happen if one...   Mar 25 2021, 04:37 PM
ChrisFoley   It's already been done with smaller ICT carbs....   Mar 25 2021, 04:05 PM
Mark Henry   I found my new intake manafold! :D http://w...   Mar 25 2021, 05:18 PM
Shivers   On a big enough engine, that design would work bet...   Mar 25 2021, 05:25 PM
914_teener   These look pretty Peppy.....how bout four of these...   Mar 25 2021, 05:34 PM
ClayPerrine   How about these??? 2 per side, pointed inward. ...   Mar 26 2021, 09:51 AM


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